Jesus was considered barbaric, when the norm/law of his era is not to work on Sundays, but he cured a sick person on Sunday. Jesus was considered barbaric, when the norm/law of his era is to keep distance from sinners, but he walked and ate with them. Jesus was considered to be barbaric, when the norm/law of his era is to hate and punish the enemies, but he loved them with agape-love. Jesus was considered barbaric, when the norm/law of his era is to preach only inside church buildings - clean and shine, but he preached in the markets and villages, to the poor. (Who are closer to our creator God and his creatures like fresh air, flowers, trees, birds, sun-lights, flowing waters, grasses, soils, etc.? And who keep themselves away from the nature by separating with expensive walls and concrete floors?) Jesus was considered barbaric, when the norm/law of his era is to stone an adultery woman to death, but he set her free. Jesus was considered barbaric, when the norm/law of his era is to ... ... Jesus was considered barbaric, when the norm/law of his era is to ... ... LOL
Your refusal to understand or acknowledge the answer does not make it a non answer The Bible says nice things and the Koran says nice things. The Bible says nasty things and the Koran says nasty things. The Bible contradicts itself and the Koran contradicts itself. You recognize only nice things in the Bible and only nasty things in the Koran. That's you not being objective. Not to be picky but Alexis de Tocqueville could not have referred to Judeo-Christian values in terms of ethics or of the American ideals. The term Judeo-Christian as it refers to values comes from the time of Orwell who coined the phrase in the 1930's. Before that it was used in effort to convert Jews to Christianity, and previous to that it was generally a pejorative expression. Alexis de Tocqueville at the same time articulated the Tyranny of the Majority which, if he was saying Christianity was deeply woven into the fabric of America, then he was also pointing out the dangers in that situation. By the way, you can't objectively talk of Judeo-Christian religion on this topic without at least acknowledging or recognizing the Abrahamic concept of Islamic-Judeo-Christian also being promoted. It is a fact that in Western democracies generally and specifically, the ideals of liberty, justice for all and the pursuit of happiness has been achieved wherever it has because as in America particularly, God has not been placed above the secular democratic law of the land. The opposite being true where oppression, iniquity and misery dominate in lands wherever the God idea; Islamic, Christian or whatever, is used as the formal rule of law.
"... In the United States, the influence of religion is not confined to the manners, but it extends to the intelligence of the people... Christianity, therefore, reigns without obstacle, by universal consent... I sought for the key to the greatness and genius of America in her harbors...; in her fertile fields and boundless forests; in her rich mines and vast world commerce; in her public school system and institutions of learning. I sought for it in her democratic Congress and in her matchless Constitution. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great ..." - Alexis de Tocqueville, "Democracy in America" http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/cdf/onug/detocq.html
So fabricating statistics to further your goal of excluding others based on their religion is your definition of "good"? Still waiting for your explanation or apology on that one, we haven't forgotten. Remember Maverick, what would your Jesus do?
Matt 19:8.... "Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning."" The laws regarding what you speak about were setup to deal with the people at that current point in time and during Israels kingdom until Jesus came . Jesus came to teach the people to do good and practice mercy, a good way.
This movement was essentially formed in response to the CBCs and Mavericks of the world, who use their religion to support discriminating, excluding, and harming others. Both of them would do well to give the movement a look. We've got Maverick here fabricating statistics, really outright lying, to make a political point and wrapping that up in the words of Jesus, can't get much further from the guy's teaching than that.
%% What problems , Sig,do you have with that??/LOL The fact that women don't have to throw stones , or capital punishment??Thanks for accurate quote!!
imo, one possibility would be the world should concentrate much more in some (advanced) Islamic countries that have shown certain degree of proven democracy components. Such as Turkey (Illiberal democracy), Pakistan (Illiberal democracy), Iraq (Illiberal democracy), Egypt (Illiberal democracy), Jordan (Illiberal democracy), Malaysia (Flawed democracy), Indonesia (Flawed democracy), Bangladesh (Illiberal democracy), etc. Investing, providing and helping these target Islamic countries with extremely heavy investments and resources, financially, physically, academically, etc.etc. After many years these target Islamic countries would become mature in their democratic systems. With proven strong economic growth. Then ask them in turn to invest and help some other willing Islamic countries to become their followers. During the process, many other Islamic countries should send their talented staff to these 1st round targeted countries in order to learn their success experience. While introduce their knowledge and skills learned meanwhile to their home/native countries for study and reference. It should be a worldwide unified effort to show off their will and power with a clear and concrete direction that could firmly change/upgrade the whole world in long run with high certainty. LOL An aerial view of a portion of the Zaatari refugee camp which only contains a population of 80,000 Syrian refugees. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/An_Aerial_View_of_the_Za'atri_Refugee_Camp.jpg
%% Excellent points, Small Stops; note what God did to the king of Egypt in the Red Sea. The Lord of Angel Armies drowned the king of Egypt + drowned his hellish hosts, noted in many places in the Bible. About 1 million muzzies in the world ,about 100 million of them are Christian-Jew hating fanatics.