If you commit treason in the U.S. you are already in the U.S. and you get thrown in jail, no need to address the citizenship issue. She left the U.S. to join a foreign power at war with the U.S. government and advocate overthrow and death to Americans. Quite a different set of facts. Pretty simple approach the Justice Dept will take, there is factual proof of her joining ISIS VOLUNTARILY. Joining an enemy force to conspire against Americans and the government. All easily proven, some by her own admission. She can get on her magic carpet and claim he still asserts her American citizenship but it does not work that way. You don't get to commit treason voluntarily and then walk it back just to come home. Her lawyers can claim brainwashing, coercion and many other defenses against a finding of presumed renunciation but the only way she wins is forcing compassion from a trier of fact for her child. The only way she comes back is if she cops a deal to provide detailed information to help i the fight agaisnt ISIS and spends 30-40 years in federal penitentiary. Only way I see her coming back and keeping "citizenship" but who cares about citizenship if she dies in prison- except for her son.
And if you do 20 years and get out you are still a citizen if you want. Correct. That is the point. The courts allow presumptions but allows the person to assert their actual intent rather than presumed intent. Anyway, as I said I am rooting for the "sign up for isis" and your citizenship is automatically gone scenario. And, to repeat, I will be the first to cheer Trump and Pompeo going down that road if they lose on the birthright dispute. Unfortunately, I know it is not a slam dunk. Not saying it is not do-able, but it is not a slam dunk. In closing, and related to my point before I give it a rest, I leave viewers with something to contemplate. Y'all will recall that - in a post or two- I recently referred to Anwar Al Alari/Alawi/whatever the second in command for Al Queda in Yemen who Obama had killed with a drone. As I recall, without googling, he was born in New Mexico and his father was a professor there or something like that. In other words, he was an American and grew up in New Mexico. Consider further that CLEARLY he had gone over to the other side and had become an enemy combatant- orchestrating the deaths of many American troops. Then recall, unless you are a teenager or something, the firestorm of debate about the power of the government to target and kill an American citizen without due process etc, even though he was an enemy combatant. That debate continues and rage on considerably at the time. The government argued that it had authorization to do that under the global anti-terror legislation or whatever. ALL of the debate raged around the fact that he was an American citizen. And the military defended it on those terms, and the politicians defended it on those terms, and the opponents raged on about how he was an American citizen. No one significant tried to even go down the road that he was no longer an American citizen because he was now an enemy combatant. The argument were that - yes- he was an American citizen but we could still take action against him. My point is that this business of trying to read chapter and verse and conclude that someone is now longer an American citizen for joining the enemy is not a slam dunk, and neither will it be with Isis Mama if they come up against it. It will require some work. Might get there, but no slam dunk just by reading chapter and verse. How bout the lefty hero, Beau Bird-dog, who defected to the other side? Still a citizen? Oh, I see. If he left and never returned he would have been presumed to have relinquished his citizenship, but he was returned and spun some sorry arse story about being brainwashed rather than having voluntarily done this or that. I wonder how times an hour Isis Mama will use the word "brainwash" to make the point that she did not voluntarily do this or that. Okay, will leave it there.
The Chilling Timeline of the ISIS Bride Who Wants to Return to America By Claudia Rosett February 23, 2019 Hassan Shibly, attorney for Hoda Muthana, the Alabama woman who left home to join the Islamic State in Syria, speaks on a phone before a news conference Wednesday, Feb. 20, 2019, in Tampa, Fla. (AP Photo/Chris O'Meara) What are we to make of the ISIS bride who now wants to return to America? Hoda Muthana left her home in Alabama in 2014 to join the terrorist "caliphate" of ISIS in Syria. Now, reportedly thrice-married to ISIS terrorists, twice-widowed, and recently arrived with her 18-month-old son at a Kurdish-run refugee camp in northern Syria, she says she "deeply regrets" joining ISIS, and wants to come back to the United States. How this plays out under U.S. law is likely to be decided by the legal wranglers in court, based on technicalities of dates and documents. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has called her a terrorist, described her as having inflicted "enormous risk" on Americans, and released a statement that she is not a U.S. citizen and does not have any legal basis to travel to the United States. President Trump has tweeted that he has instructed Pompeo "not to allow Hoda Muthana back into the Country!" Hoda's father, Ahmed Ali Muthana, a naturalized U.S. citizen, is now suing Trump, Pompeo and Attorney General William Barr to have Hoda and her son "declared to be U.S. citizens and returned to the United States," which, according to the complaint, is what she wants, even if that could mean facing criminal prosecution. The issue of Hoda's citizenship -- and whether she might be legally entitled to reenter the country -- apparently turns on the timeline of her father's diplomatic status at Yemen's Mission to the United Nations in New York, where he served as a Yemeni diplomat in the early 1990s, before becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen. Hoda was born in New Jersey, in October 1994. The U.S. does not consider children born to foreign diplomats in the U.S. as entitled to American citizenship; but if her father's diplomatic status was terminated before she was born, then she would have been a U.S. citizen from birth. By her father's account, he lost his diplomatic status shortly before she was born, ergo she's a citizen. The State Department said otherwise, in a letter dated Jan. 15, 2016, sent to Hoda at her family's Alabama address, more than a year after she'd gone to join ISIS in Syria. According to State, U.S. authorities were not officially notified of the termination of her father's diplomatic status until February 1995, some four months after Hoda was born, ergo she was not born a U.S. citizen, has never been one, and should never have been issued a U.S. passport. It could take a while before we see a court ruling one way or the other. But there's another timeline that ought to matter here. Not for legal purposes, but in the broader context of how Hoda Muthana's story is now playing to the American public. What about the timeline of high-profile ISIS atrocities -- the context in which she made her choices? In the media coverage of this case, all that bloody record of deliberately inflicted human agony seems to have faded into some remote and misty past, summarized in maybe a sentence or two -- or symbolized on the TV news by short video clips of ISIS fighters waving black flags and shooting guns, with no obvious target. As far as I'm aware, no media outlet has so far juxtaposed an interview of Hoda Muthana with such signature ISIS footage as videos of American hostages, on their knees, about to be beheaded by ISIS; or that young Jordanian pilot burned alive in a cage. Instead, we're invited to focus our attention and sympathies on a young woman in a headscarf, holding her infant son or pushing him in a stroller around a refugee camp, telling her assorted media interlocutors that in joining ISIS she made a "big mistake." This past week she told ABC News that she regrets joining ISIS, and she hopes Americans will "excuse me because of how young and ignorant I was." Was it really nothing but youth and ignorance? Hoda was 20 when she went to Syria to join ISIS -- older than many of the victims whose sufferings ISIS was gloating over at the time. She's now 24, and only now, with ISIS stripped of its caliphate -- thanks to others, including members of the American military who risked or gave their lives to fight the terrorists she joined -- is she publicly disavowing ISIS. And though in her recent interviews she's been expressing plenty of regret about the misfortunes ISIS brought to her own life, she's said almost nothing about what ISIS did, while she urged and cheered it on, to thousands upon thousands who had no choice at all. They are not on camera in these interviews. Many of them are dead. Nor has the news coverage of Hoda Muthana done much to remind us, at least not in compelling detail, of the savagery, on a staggering scale, with which ISIS butchered, shot, raped, enslaved, blew up, burned alive, drowned, dragged to death, ran down, starved, oppressed, and abused its designated victims in Syria, Iraq, Europe, America, and beyond. In most of the recent coverage of what Hoda now wants, the record of what ISIS dished out has been dealt with in a sentence or two. The rest has been all about the quandaries of Hoda and her family. On Feb. 22, for instance, the Washington Post ran a lengthy article about the "complex questions" raised by the case of this "ISIS bride," her citizenship and her father's lawsuit, without making a single mention of the atrocities of ISIS or the zeal with which she joined up. The headline implied that the real villains are Trump and Pompeo: "Rule by tyranny: American-born woman who joined ISIS must be allowed to return, the lawsuit says." No doubt there are important legal issues in play, but that's hardly the entire story. So, in the interest of seeing the fuller picture, let's take a look at the timeline on which ISIS and Hoda Muthana converged. Hoda's interest in ISIS began in November 2013, a year before she left Alabama for Syria, according to an interview she gave online to BuzzFeed in April 2015, from what was then her new home in Raqqa, Syria, via a messaging app called Kik. During the year in which she was preparing to travel to Syria, ISIS was on the rise, and its character was plain to see. It was so grotesque, so sadistic, so sickening, so bloodthirsty that it was all over the headlines and the internet -- which is how she was communicating with ISIS. A full roster of ISIS atrocities would take volumes. So, what follows here is not remotely comprehensive. You can find a longer list in this timeline, which if you print it out would run to 47 pages, though it is also just a partial summing up. The ISIS activities noted below, each of them monstrous, are a small fraction of the horrors that loomed high in the U.S. headlines just before and during the time Hoda hooked up with the group. In some cases, the final casualty numbers vary slightly from the estimates in stories at the time -- but not by much. Notes on Hoda are in italics. Information sourced to court documents filed under her father's lawsuit is marked with an asterisk. 2014 For most of this year, Hoda was still in Alabama, using pseudonyms to communicate with and about ISIS on social media. If she was aware of ISIS atrocities before she left the U.S. -- and it's hard to believe she knew nothing about them -- they did not deter her from going to Syria to join ISIS. February — From Alabama, Hoda Muthana renews the U.S. passport initially issued for her at her father's behest in 2005.* May — ISIS displays crucified bodies in Raqqa, Syria. Here's CNN coverage from the time, with a warning about the graphic photos. June — ISIS declares its "caliphate" with Raqqa as its capital. August — ISIS releases video of captured American journalist James Foley, on his knees in an orange jumpsuit, and beheads him on camera. ISIS launches a genocidal attack on the Yazidis in Iraq, besieging tens of thousands of men, women, and children who have fled to the upper reaches of Mount Sinjar, denying them access to food and water in temperatures rising above 120 degrees Fahrenheit. The horrors go on and on, sickening to read about (see this 2016 UN report, "They came to destroy: ISIS Crimes Against the Yazidis," based on interviews with survivors). Hundreds of Yazidis die on Mount Sinjar before the siege is broken. ISIS captures thousands of Yazidis, separates families, kills the men and older boys who refuse to convert to Islam, and enslaves the women and girls, starving and raping them, setting up a slave market in Raqqa where Yazidi girls as young as five are sold at auction. September — ISIS releases video of the beheading of American-Israeli journalist Steven Sotloff ISIS releases video of the beheading of British aid worker, David Haines. October — ISIS releases video of the beheading of British aid worker Alan Henning. November — Hoda Muthana tells her parents she is leaving on a school trip, and uses her university tuition money to buy a ticket to Turkey and travel onward to Raqqa, Syria. December — From Syria, Hoda tweets a photo of American, British, and Canadian passports, with the comment "Bonfire soon, no need for these anymore. alhamdulillah." She marries an Australian ISIS jihadi, who is killed a few months later. While in Syria, she will go on to marry a second ISIS jihadi, bear him a son in 2017, and when that second husband is killed, marry a third ISIS jihadi, whose whereabouts she now says she does not know. 2015 January — ISIS releases a video of the beheading of a Japanese journalist, Kenji Goto. In Paris, terrorists linked to ISIS carry out synchronized slaughter at the offices of the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket, killing 17. February — ISIS releases a video of a captured Jordanian pilot Muath al-Kasasbeh, drenched in gasoline, screaming in agony as he is burned alive in a cage. March — Hoda posts on Twitter about the death of her first ISIS husband, an Australian, Suhan Rahman, who'd traveled to Syria from Melbourne, and two months earlier had made news in Australia for posting pictures of himself posing with an AK-47, praising the terrorist attacks in Paris, and urging in a social media post: "Let the heads fly and the blood flow." As Hoda confirms the following month in her online interview with BuzzFeed, she posts on Twitter a photo of her husband's dead and bloodied body, and eulogizes him with a tweet: "May Allah accept my husband, Abu Jihad al Australi. Promised Allah and fought in the front lines until he attained shahadah [martyrdom]." Hoda also tweets from Syria: "Americans wake up! ... You have much to do while you live under our greatest enemy, enough of your sleeping! Go on drive-bys and spill all of their blood, or rent a big truck and drive all over them. Veterans, Patriot, Memorial etc Day parades..go on drive by's + spill all of their blood or rent a big truck n drive all over them. Kill them." April — From Syria, Hoda gives an online interview to BuzzFeed, via a messaging app, in which she writes that "Nothing is forced here." She describes herself as "content," says ,"I wanted to marry under an Islamic state rather than the West," and writes that when she asked her father, a month after her departure, to send her $2,500 to come home, she was not telling the truth: "It was just a test," she wrote; "It would never cross my mind to come back." August — ISIS captures the city of Palmyra, in Syria, demolishes magnificent ancient ruins, carries out mass executions, and tortures the city's 81-year-old chief archeologist, Khaled al-Asaad, reportedly demanding that he tell them where to find valuable antiquities, which he reportedly refuses to do. ISIS beheads him in a public square and hangs his torso from a lamp post, placing his severed head beneath it. November — In Paris, during three hours of terror, ISIS gunmen and suicide bombers kill 130 people, shooting and bombing in cafes and on the streets, and massacring scores of concert-goers in the Bataclan Theater. December — In San Bernardino, California, a husband-wife team of ISIS acolytes guns down 14 of his co-workers at an office Christmas party. 2016 March — In Brussels, ISIS terrorists, using bombs packed with nails, attack the airport and a metro station, killing 32 people and injuring more than 200. June — In Orlando, Florida, shortly after ISIS calls on followers around the world to deliver "a month of calamity for the non-believers," an ISIS acolyte shoots to death 49 people at the Pulse nightclub. July — In the French city of Nice, a terrorist claimed by ISIS drives a 19-ton truck through a holiday crowd, killing 86 and wounding more than 400. December — In the German city of Bonn, a Tunisian terrorist who has pledged loyalty to ISIS hijacks a heavy truck, killing its driver, and runs down holiday-makers at a Christmas market, killing 11 and wounding 55. 2017 March — In London, a terrorist claimed by ISIS kills three and injures dozens, using a car to run down pedestrians on Westminster Bridge and then stabbing to death an unarmed police officer. May — In Manchester, England, a suicide bomber claimed by ISIS detonates his bomb at an Ariana Grande concert, killing 22 innocents, including children. On May 19, in Syria, Hoda Muthana gives birth to a son [referred to in the lawsuit brought by her father as "Minor John Doe"].* June — In London, three terrorists claimed by ISIS drive a van into pedestrians on London Bridge, then go on a stabbing rampage, killing six and wounding more than 30. October — In the deadliest terror attack on New York City since Sept. 11, 2001, an ISIS-inspired terrorist uses a rented truck to mow down people on a crowded Manhattan bicycle path, killing eight. 2018 December — ISIS has lost almost all the territory it seized a few years earlier. The group remains a vicious threat, but the Caliphate is kaput. Hoda leaves the severely dwindling patch of ISIS-controlled turf and turns herself over to Kurdish forces, who transfer her to the refugee camp where she is now living. 2019 And that brings us to the present, in which, from the refugee camp in Syria, Hoda has been giving interviews to the media. She now professes regret over joining ISIS, and declares her desire to go back to America -- where, she now suggests, she might make amends by, variously, potentially facing prosecution, entering therapy, and counseling others. In the U.S., her father, with legal representation by Hassan Shibly, chief executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations Florida (CAIR Florida), and lawyers of the Constitutional Law Center for Muslims in America, has been seeking ways to legally send Hoda money and bring her with her son to the United States. Hoda and her father's CAIR Florida attorney now say that in Syria her Twitter account was taken over by others. OK, a lot can happen during four years with ISIS, but, if true, was her social media hijacked before or after such activity as the March 2015 tweet she apparently confirmed to BuzzFeed as her own, urging that American veterans and patriots be bloodied, crushed, and killed with trucks? We can expect to see and hear a lot more from Hoda and her father's attorneys, and ever less about the barbarisms of ISIS touched on in the timeline above — tempting to want to forget, but in sizing up this ISIS bride, important to remember. https://pjmedia.com/claudiarosett/timeline-of-the-isis-bride/
These ISIS killers who want to return to their former countries are real creme puffs. "When I met Ms Begum last week, she said she had joined IS in search of the perfect family life." She told me: "My family wouldn't help me get married in the UK and the way they showed family life in IS was pretty nice. Ahhh, excuse but maybe the reason they would not help you to get married is because 1) that is your job, 2) you were only 15 years old, and 3) a lot of guys aren't interested in girls who watch ISIS videos 24/7. Work with that a little dumphuk and see if any of those points register with your one brain cell. ================================================= Shamima Begum said she joined the Islamic State group (IS) in search of the perfect family life, and it was in Raqqa, shortly after she arrived in Syria four years ago, that it arranged a marriage between her and Dutch armed extremist Yago Riedijk. She was 15 at the time and he was 23. In the UK, he would be guilty of statutory rape. He sits opposite me in a yellow plastic chair, 27 years old now, in a freezing interview room in a Kurdish detention centre. His guards have just removed his handcuffs. If I see Shamima, he asks me to "tell her that I love her and have patience". "Hopefully soon we'll be together again and things will turn out all right - hopefully." It seems unlikely that will happen anytime soon. Over the next hour, he paints a contradictory picture of an insulated home life, and a maelstrom of terror outside. IS bride 'should live in Holland' - husband Who will take IS fighter and his teenage 'bride'? Begum family challenge Javid on citizenship What is Shamima Begum's legal status? He said he kept the two separate and that his wife, despite her public statements to the contrary, was ignorant of IS's crimes. "I was keeping her in a protected shell," he said. "I did not give her any information about what was going on outside. The problems that I was facing, the dangers. "She was just sitting inside taking care of the household while I was trying to get by. "Feed her, feed myself. Try to keep out of trouble. Try to not getting killed by secret services. "You know, making decisions that changed our lives, trying to keep us in safety." Image copyrightREUTERS Image captionIS was driven out of Raqqa, the de facto capital of its "caliphate", in October 2017 When I met Ms Begum last week, she said she had joined IS in search of the perfect family life. She told me: "My family wouldn't help me get married in the UK and the way they showed family life in IS was pretty nice. "Like the perfect family life, saying they'd take care of you and take care of your family. And that was true. "They did take care of me and my family at first but things changed after that." Their caliphate dream unravelled quickly. It was a world of headless corpses and IS prison and torture for Mr Riedijk. When I asked him if he knew of any Yazidis - the religious sect IS enslaved and murdered - he had this to say: "I heard about one Dutch guy. He had a slave. "That's about as close as I ever got to a slave. I heard she was about 40 years old." Media captionShamima Begum: 'I got tricked and I was hoping someone would have sympathy with me' Ms Begum had said she had seen a human head in a bin; her husband explained it was in a bag on top of a pile of dead IS prisoners wearing military uniforms. And he attended the stoning of a women accused of "fornication". "I actually never witnessed a beheading," he said. "I've actually witnessed a stoning once. "And I've watched, I've seen people who have been executed but not the execution itself." "Actually, she wasn't stoned to death," he corrected. "She stood up and she ran away. "And, after that, they said to the guys who were throwing stones: 'Stop throwing stones.' "It's not allowed to throw the stones after she gets up and runs away. So we stopped throwing stones at her and she escaped. After that they left her alone." 'I made a huge mistake' Mr Riedijk's wife claimed that he "wasn't really a fighter", but he went to fight for IS in Kobane and was injured. He fought again in Aleppo. He said: "I made a huge mistake. I've thrown away years of my life. It was not my life. "Luckily, I didn't directly hurt other people. But me joining and supporting a group like that. It's something that's not acceptable." He added that he had hardly used his weapon. Now he says he wants to return to the Netherlands, with his wife, and his newborn baby son. "I would love to go back to my own country," he said, "which I now understand the privileges that I lived with. The privilege of living there as a citizen. "And, of course, I understand that many people have a problem with what I did and I totally understand that. "I have to take responsibility for what I did, serve my sentence. But I hope to be able to return to a normal life and to raise a family." How many IS foreign fighters are left? Could a defeated IS rebound? Tales from inside the chaos left by IS How do countries deal with IS returnees? For now, Ms Begum and Mr Riedijk have neither their passports nor control of their own fate. They gave up both when they joined the Islamic State group, and are unlikely to see the return of either anytime soon. Ms Begum is in a woman's internment camp not very far away from her imprisoned husband. Kurdish officials say there are no plans for them to be reunited.
Looks like the judge gave Isis mamma's request to expedite her case a frosty reception. Good. We dont need that trash here any sooner than we must as required by law and the constitution, which it may or may not depending on how the facts line up. But we dont need any lefty judge giving her some big multicultural wet kiss and putting down the welcome mat for her in the meantime. "I just think there is a lot of speculation I'd have to engage in," Walton said in his ruling from the bench. Although Walton said he was "sympathetic" to Muthana she nevertheless "put herself in that situation." Love it. High five for the judge. She might be able to appeal his ruling but nevertheless he did not put the welcome mat down for her. Keep the cockroach out at as long as you can. And then charge her with treason and the death penalty if it turns out that you can't. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-b...sues-to-come-home-donald-trump-not-a-citizen/