Is this track record good enough to attract new capital

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by newtraderg, May 25, 2011.

  1. jesseah

    jesseah

    It really depends on what kind of outside capital you want to attract. If you want Fund of funds or Institutional money forget it. They are not interested with assets so small (even if you had 50% returns for 5 straight yrs , I think woudl be near impossible to attract that kind of investor. )

    With good returns like yours, Friends and family should be easy. Start there and word spreads, you could gain some real assets...
     
    #11     May 27, 2011
  2. the1

    the1

    That's not true. It depends on the connections you make and the returns of your fund. When I did my hedge fund I had a combination of friends, family, outside investors, and other hedge funds. The Hedge Funds I attracted were those who wanted to diversify their portfolios through other managers and other instruments. I managed funds for a precious metals hedge fund (equity) who wanted some managed futures exposure. I developed this connection through one of my individual investors.

    Someone on this thread commented about the 20% drawdown one month. That's not that big of a deal as far as institutional investors go. What they will look at more closely is the explosive upside months. How were those returns generated? Was it simply a matter of favorable market conditions or did the OP use a lot of leverage? If you want to attract sophisticated capital you need to be ready to answer some sophisticated questions. On the surface, the OP's numbers look decent but my first question would be an explanation of the big upside months. There is a large deviation between monthly returns -- 14.26%. That is going to draw a lot of attention.

     
    #12     May 27, 2011
  3. No, returns are basically irrelevant when it cones to raising capital

    Everyone has great returns otherwise they wouldn't be raising capital duh

    What is your strategy? Why us it different than my other 1000 choices? Will it work in the future or does it depend on a fading edge?

    Those are the questions real investors will ask-/ not track record
     
    #13     May 27, 2011
  4. the1

    the1

    Based on my experience, I couldn't disagree more. Money flowed into my fund during periods of positive returns and flowed out during periods of negative returns. I tried to counsel my investors that they should be doing the exact opposite but only a few listened. The ones who did listen performed the best. To the average investor -- even those who are very wealthy -- returns mean <b>everything.</b> Institutional Investors will dig much deeper but the average joe wants to know one thing -- how much did you make last year. Period.

     
    #14     May 27, 2011
  5. DT-waw

    DT-waw

    Fully agree. If FoF allocates to 50-150 managers, 20% dd should not be a problem. Whats more important- will it make enough money to cover the (potential) losses of other managers? what are the chances the program will continue to earn? is leverage moderate?
     
    #15     May 27, 2011
  6. LEAPup

    LEAPup

    True. I'm a performance only RIA. I often hear, "Why should I hire you?" If you get "Mr. Big Bucks" wanting in due to your returns, and only your returns, that is a recipe for an account that will go away via acat sooner than later.

    Hint: calculate the Beta number for the portfolio you manage, and show investors why they will want you vs. the rest.

    Good luck.
     
    #16     May 27, 2011
  7. jesseah

    jesseah

     
    #17     May 27, 2011
  8. jesseah

    jesseah

    Also, I'm not trying to discourage anyone from starting up. Just pointing out the only real way to get seed capital for a fund these days is via friends and family. Unless of course you ran the prop desk at GS or have a track record at a top hedge fund.
     
    #18     May 27, 2011
  9. sle

    sle

    Seems like a fair amount of money is chasing the fund community so this might be the right moment to start up a fund. This said, I am a portfolio manager in a billion+ fund, so my vantage point might be different.
     
    #19     May 28, 2011
  10. 2009 = 266% return
    2010= 54% return

    This is better than me as in 2009 I did 187% and 2010 42%. Of course if I invested with you after your management fees and if you took 20% of the profits off the top, it would be about the same as my returns.


    Still, if you get set up, let me know what your minimum investment is.
     
    #20     May 28, 2011