Is there anyone here who has a consistently profitable automated trading system?

Discussion in 'Automated Trading' started by Blitzjoker, Jul 20, 2023.

  1. Blitzjoker

    Blitzjoker

    I would say every month, with maybe the odd exception. To be profitable on every trade would be impossible I would think; every day would be very optimistic as there may be only a few trades, so every month would be reasonable to have a reliable system I would think.
     
    #11     Jul 21, 2023
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  2. d08

    d08

    Enough to pay the bills and live but personally I live below my means by a significant margin, that helps me get through significant and often long drawdowns. But I have plenty of losing months so I don't fit your criteria.
     
    #12     Jul 21, 2023
  3. Blitzjoker

    Blitzjoker

    Thanks for this; that's quite the achievement anyway. I wouldn't try to support myself with trading, but aim to slowly build a sum of money outside other investments if that is possible. Presumably you do not trade that often, so although you have a positive expectation overall, losing months occur often.
     
    #13     Jul 21, 2023
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  4. Blitzjoker

    Blitzjoker

    Thanks for you honest reply; that has been my experience too so far.

    As for Linda Raschke's comment, I'll try and dig out where I heard it. It did surprise me somewhat at the time, but I can understand it more now. It's definitely not an easy task by any means.
     
    #14     Jul 21, 2023
  5. Blitzjoker

    Blitzjoker

    Thanks for your reply. I would suspect a scammer would be more likely to answer yes to the question if they were trying to sell me something, but who knows.

    No evidence required, but an inkling of what sort of system you have developed would be welcome.
     
    #15     Jul 21, 2023
  6. PPC

    PPC

    I’ve heard Linda say the similar thing, i.e.; that she doesn’t know any trader making money with fully automate system. However, when she and other discretionary traders say this, they don’t mean that it’s impossible to make money that way, but rather that the money made from automated system trading is not worth it in comparison to discretionary trading. (by discretionary I don’t mean shooting from the hip, but pattern recognition which cannot be done by computers)

    Most automated systems struggle to make >20R per year on consistent bases if they want to keep drawdowns to less than 10%.

    Through position sizing one can jack up the returns from automated trading, but then the drawdowns become too large for most people to handle. (even with multiple systems)

    In one of the podcasts Linda says that if she goes through a bad patch, she apparently goes to automated or semi-automated trading for a while to get her confidence back.

    Tom Basso (market wizard) uses fully automated system, and he trades futures markets for diversification purposes. But his returns are low in comparison to discretionary traders.

    I'm not a fan of automated systems, but it's doable provided you settle for low returns and high drawdowns. It is all relative, and depends on one’s objective and expectation.

    What works well is having computer to scan for certain backtested criteria, and then use certain amount of discretion as an overlay, (provided that the trader's discretion is better than if left alone to the computer)
     
    #16     Jul 21, 2023
  7. themickey

    themickey

    What sort of patterns cannot be recognized by computer?
     
    #17     Jul 21, 2023
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  8. mikeriley

    mikeriley

    Linda has known many successful traders, and a few championship traders,
    all of which are basic follow the trend- add to winners -
    POINT AND CLICK TRADERS.
     
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    #18     Jul 21, 2023
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  9. PPC

    PPC

    Things like for example classic chart patterns such as flags, wedges, H&S, or volume behaviour patterns within those chart patterns are very hard to code. Many good programmers tried, but so far the trained human eye is better. Obviously, it comes with subjectivity.

    Mechanical systems are good for mean reversion, or bar by bar analysis, and stuff like that.
     
    #19     Jul 21, 2023
  10. themickey

    themickey

    Yes agree, there's also other issues which is especially applicable for retail trader coders. How far does one go with attempting to identify numerous patterns.
    Then there becomes a limit to how much the mind can absorb.
    There's a limit how many patterns you wish to identify via code.
    There's a limit to how big your code wants to be and how much memory your computer has to run data heavy code.
    Then other issues, how to mix fundamental data with technical data within the same code, eg, dragging data downloaded from several different sources then marrying them.
     
    #20     Jul 21, 2023
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