Is there a citizen trap in the US?

dis · Oct 22, 2011

Paraphrasing Winston Churchill, America is the worst country in the world, except for all others.

mfoste1 · Oct 22, 2011

Quote from misterno:

Swiss has all the dictators' and drug related money in the world.

$5MM population managing billions from drug business

woow impressive
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moron.....the US banks launder all the dirty money. You gotta be a complete imbecile not to know that, or just a stupid america

AKUMATOTENSHI · Oct 22, 2011

Quote from Random.Capital:

Yes, of course there is a citizenship trap.

The concept of free movement of capital coupled with heavily restricted movement of labor is known today as "capitalism", but was previously known as "feudalism".
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Exactly, The House of the Hapsbergs still runs strong and the ever encroachment of that mentality is what I am tryin gto get away from. I grew up in a house that was heavily influenced by old European pedagogy and I am starting to see the same type influences being pushed on the citizens. No choice is allowed and free will is non existant. There will be an outright class distinction made in here in the states if the course does not change. The wealth condensation will bring it about and meritocracy will not have a chance to emerge. Keynesian economic models need to be thrown out or heavily modified. The new world is run on performanceand efficiency. The sheer number of under utilized human capital is staggering. Feudalsim does not bring about sustainable growth. It was only after the "dark ages" that mankind flourished in the arts and sciences.
Check out the patent fillings by nation to use as a metric for growth. There is a clear shift in output.

Welcome to Planet Misery,

Akuma

AKUMATOTENSHI · Nov 16, 2011

The numbers are out:

http://china.org.cn/china/2011-11/16/content_23936753.htm

A society that loses its manufacturing base loses and technical expertize. Most of the R&D money is being spent in china. We have let our nation fall to an unrecoverable state. Once the premier nation of the planet we are falling and failing. The technological base is crumbling. The skills are degredating Once you have something do not let it go under the guise of NAFTA. The politicans are fools who only think in 2 to 6 year terms. A generation is about 30 years long. This is the time frame a political system should be built to. The leadership has failed and I am not going to fight it I just want to leave it.

Those that do not work must beg, borrow or steal.

Welcome to Planet Misery,

Akuma

BUY GOLD!!!

Archin · Nov 16, 2011

Quote from Roark:

Not really. The mess was caused by a speculative bubble in housing, not by people that went out and created new businesses that are profitable and a source of employment for others.
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Kind of ignorant to believe this...

piezoe · Nov 16, 2011

Quote from kipster:

the U.S. has good standards of living for the pay i think.
its fairly balanced. even min.wage ppl can afford to buy nice stuff. whereas elsewhere (asia) the difference between rich n poor is so far apart that its ridiculous. min wage will never be able to afford to buy the finer things in life...
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"Minimum wage people" can NOT by "nice stuff". There is no "nice stuff" at the dollar store!

piezoe · Nov 16, 2011

Quote from Grandluxe:

It indeed used to be the case in the US that you couldn't hold dual citizenship (except in certain cases if you had dual citizenship from birth or childhood, in which case some Supreme Court rulings -- Perkins v. Elg (1939), Mandoli v. Acheson (1952), and Kawakita v. U.S. (1952) -- permitted you to keep both). However, most of the laws forbidding dual citizenship were struck down by the US Supreme Court in two cases: a 1967 decision, Afroyim v. Rusk, as well as a second ruling in 1980, Vance v. Terrazas.

The Constitution says nothing explicitly about dual citizenship at all. Indeed, in its 1967 ruling in Afroyim v. Rusk, the Supreme Court used an argument derived from the 14th Amendment to the Constitution to affirm a right to dual citizenship

Rules against dual citizenship still apply to some extent -- at least in theory -- to people who wish to become US citizens via naturalization. The Supreme Court chose to leave in place the requirement that new citizens must renounce their old citizenship during US naturalization. However, in practice, the State Department is no longer doing anything in the vast majority of situations where a new citizen's "old country" refuses to recognize the US renunciation and continues to consider the person's original citizenship to be in effect.

It was once the case that a naturalized US citizen could lose his citizenship by remaining outside the US for an extended period. However, this provision was invalidated by the Supreme Court in Schneider v. Rusk (1964) and was repealed by Congress in 1978.

The official US State Department policy on dual citizenship today is that the United States does not favor it as a matter of policy because of various problems they feel it may cause, but the existence of dual citizenship is recognized (i.e., accepted) as a fact of life. That is, if you ask them if you ought to become a dual citizen, they will recommend against doing it; but if you tell them you are a dual citizen, they'll almost always say it's OK.
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Thank you. That's one of the more informative posts ever on ET. THANKS!

AKUMATOTENSHI · Dec 6, 2011

Still trying to get out of here.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45567659

All the smart ones are jumping ship first. Everyone else will be stuck a system entrenched in stagflation for decades. This place feels like the 3rd world. Somebody is going to have to pay the debt. The last round of employment numbers is not a good thing no matter how you spin and message the numbers. What ever they are on in DC they better get off it because they are going to sink the ship.

Welcome to Planet Misery,

Akuma

BUY GOLD!!!

softdown · Dec 6, 2011

Maybe this has already been mentioned, but Kirsten Dunst recently got German citizenship since her father is German.
It was all over the Internet a few months ago since she is an A-lister.

She didn't seem to have any problem with the American authorities for acquiring another citizenship (beside the American one).