Is the worst of the recession Over?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by monty21, Apr 19, 2009.

Is the recession over? Will the S&P 500 make a new low at 666?

  1. Yes... we will break the 666 level

    53 vote(s)
    45.7%
  2. No... but we will go under 700 again

    39 vote(s)
    33.6%
  3. No... we won't get even close

    24 vote(s)
    20.7%
  1. In the last 50 years, "worst is behind us" always meant the upswing continues like clockwork. Never a 10-20 year sideways grind of GDP a la Japan. What if this isn't our typical V-shaped contraction?
     
    #11     Apr 20, 2009
  2. I like this guy's articles:

    http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/petrov/2008/1208.html

    December 08

    The Initial Phase – Financial Crisis

    Unfortunately, the depth and length of the crisis are currently being discounted. At the moment, the crisis is in its initial phases. What is taking place only has affected mostly the financial sector; there has been only a minimal effect on the real economy. However, at the latest by next year, the second phase of the crisis will begin, with spillover effects into the economy. In 2009, the weakness of the global economy will become central.

    Check.

    The Second Phase – Economic Crisis

    The lack of money becomes evident in the second phase of the crisis – the financial crisis is replaced by an economic crisis, triggering massive bankruptcies that would spread globally in a chain reaction. After the series of initial difficulties encountered by home borrowers and the construction companies, there have been no bankruptcies so far in manufacturing, shipping, media, food processing, not to mention luxury goods like luxury cars, yachts and watches, or exotic businesses like space tourism. But their time will come. During the second phase of the crisis, another large sum of capital will “evaporate” from the market, because a company which is going bankrupt will leave nothing for shareholders and very little for its bondholders. In the second stage of the crisis, unemployment will begin to grow along with the wave of bankruptcies.


    Check.

    The Third Phase – Hyperinflation

    Throughout the series of crises, politicians will attempt to interfere in the game, but the third stage of the crisis will nevertheless begin. Since banks were “saved” with large bailouts, politicians will also begin to lavish corporations with various aid packages. The recent charade of automakers begging for money is only the beginning. Thus, measures will be undertaken that, in the opinion of politicians, will help the economy and save jobs, something that will likely become known as Obama’s “New New Deal”. This will include a multitude of spending programs and, above all, the loaning of credit with astronomical increases in the money supply, together with the classifying of the corresponding numbers into the trillions. Just like now nobody talks any more in terms of millions, so in the not so distant future no one will be talking any more in terms of billions. Trillions will be the order of the day. Perhaps bank lending standards will be relaxed. Perhaps the government will lavish the banks with a lot more money than it does today, just to keep them lending. Perhaps the central bank will directly monetize private debt. Perhaps the government will guarantee many more corporate loans, just like it recently guaranteed the securities/loans of the GSEs. Perhaps GSEs will proliferate throughout the economy, transforming the U.S economy into the “GSE Economy”, transforming a former great capitalist economy into a modern-day nationalsozialistische economy. Perhaps the government will implement all of the above.

    It will seem for awhile that peace has arrived, that the crisis has been overcome, as if the bankrupt companies have been “saved”, although this will only be the calm before the storm.

    Check?

    Thanks for any thoughts.
    :)
     
    #12     Apr 20, 2009
  3. gsrddi

    gsrddi

    AP reports: “New signs emerge that the recession may be easing.” The Stock Research Portal responds: Really? “This conclusion makes absolutely no sense to me. While some want to see ‘light at the end of tunnel’ … the U.S. Commerce Department reported construction of new homes and apartments fell to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 510,000 units in March, second lowest in the 50 years of record keeping.”

    Market Data and Economic Research
     
    #13     Apr 20, 2009
  4. Your Market Data/Economic link did not work... Did you mean http://www.stockresearchportal.com

    Are you also spamming this website? I quickly browsed it and it seems like you have to join before seeing anything.

    You can get most of their information at wsj.com (Markets section) for free.

    Summary of all Mkts:
    http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/marketsdata.html

    Stocks:
    http://online.wsj.com/public/page/news-stock-market-movers.html

    Bonds:
    http://online.wsj.com/public/page/news-fixed-income-bonds.html

    Currencies:
    http://online.wsj.com/public/page/news-currency-currencies-trading.html

    Commodities:
    http://online.wsj.com/public/page/news-oil-gold-commodities.html

    World Markets:
    http://online.wsj.com/public/page/news-asia-asian-europe-european-markets.html
     
    #14     Apr 20, 2009
  5. MS has poor earnings, Freddie Mac CFO commits suicide, subpoenas are given out all over the place... and the market is still up today!

    Is Wall Street believing Geithner's bs?
     
    #15     Apr 22, 2009
  6. MAESTRO

    MAESTRO

    The governments are "ALL IN" on a small pair in hand! The odds are there is a "FULL HOUSE" in the opposite hand.
     
    #16     Apr 22, 2009
  7. With 2 million empty unsold houses on the market and more coming each day, we are far from having this recession over.
     
    #17     Apr 22, 2009
  8. Why is the market up today though with all the bad news. Logic says the market should be going lower, but price is pointing up.
     
    #18     Apr 22, 2009
  9. Mvic

    Mvic

    We are at or very near (within a week) of this bear market rally being done. When it is the down side will be swifter than many imagine. I expect to see the SP well under 800 by mid may.

    Take a look at the weekly charts, they tell the clearest story.

    Apart from the SPG short that I initiated today I am buying OTM puts on ES. Will stop out if $sox closes above 270.
     
    #19     Apr 22, 2009
  10. Where are all the dumb ass PPT posts by Bluestreak and Dodge now that the market dropped some 130 points at close? Why are there no threads in the trading forum about how the government is propping everything up?

    Llamas!
     
    #20     Apr 22, 2009