Is the Universe a

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Spike Trader, Dec 11, 2013.

  1. jem

    jem

    Yes I search for the ones with gravitas in the field we are discussing.
    Susskind was one of the first guys discussing the hologram concept and it was one of the founders of string theory and he wrote one of the books on the multiverse being used to explain our universes spectacular fine tuning.

    Penrose is just...

    Sir Roger Penrose OM FRS (born 8 August 1931), is an English mathematical physicist, recreational mathematician and philosopher. He is the Emeritus Rouse Ball Professor of Mathematics at the Mathematical Institute of the University of Oxford, as well as an Emeritus Fellow of Wadham College.
    Penrose is internationally renowned for his scientific work in mathematical physics, in particular for his contributions to general relativity and cosmology. He has received a number of prizes and awards, including the 1988 Wolf Prize for physics, which he shared with Stephen Hawking for their contribution to our understanding of the universe.[1]
     
    #21     Dec 13, 2013
  2. 377OHMS

    377OHMS

    Meh.

    What Hyakutake is saying is that a math construct exists that connects quantum and relativistic physics using a projection. Nothing philosophical there. Nobody is saying we live in a hologram. They haven't explained gravity or anything else really.

    The interesting thing in physics right now, personally, is the linked energy states of two quantum particles separated by great distance (interstellar distances) with no light-speed delay.

    Its instantaneous action-at-a-distance.

    We were taught in engineering school that action-at-a-distance exists mostly just because Maxwell said it does regardless of what Newton or Einstein believed. Turns out the electrical engineers were right. :D
     
    #22     Dec 13, 2013
  3. jem

    jem

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-...anglement-and-the-holographic-universe-2011-4

    Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen (EPR)

    ...

    Einstein believed that underneath these mathematical probabilities were fixed hidden realities that we just couldn’t see. That was why he, Podolsky and Rosen dreamed up the idea of what we now call "Quantum Entanglement" in 1935. It was to show that either quantum theory was incomplete, because it said there was no hidden information, or it was possible to instantly influence something at a distance. As that seemed incredible, he thought it showed that quantum theory was incorrect the way it had been presented with probabilistic mathematics. Quantum entanglement is at the heart of the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen (EPR) Paradox developed in 1935.

    Holographic Universe

    Since travelling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Alain Aspect’s findings. It has also inspired others to offer even more radical explanations including that of the holographic universe! The implications of a holographic universe are truly mind boggling… Aspect’s findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram. To understand why a number of physicists including David Bohm made this startling assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms.

    Hologram

    A hologram is a three-dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser. To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern -- the area where the two laser beams superimpose -- is captured on film. When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But as soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a three-dimensional image of the original object appears!

    No Sub-Parts

    The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half is still found to contain the entire image of the rose. Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each snippet of film is always found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole!

    Whole In Every Part

    The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history, Western science has laboured under the bias that the best way to understand a physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study its respective parts. A hologram teaches us that some things in the universe may not lend themselves to this approach. If we try to take apart some thing constructed holographically, we will not get the pieces of which it is made, we will only get smaller wholes.

    Extensions of The Same Source

    This insight suggested to some scientists including David Bohm another way of understanding Aspect’s discovery. Bohm believed the reason subatomic particles are able to remain in contact with one another regardless of the distance separating them is not because they are sending some sort of mysterious signal back and forth, but because their separateness is an illusion. Bohm suggested that at some deeper level of reality such particles are not individual entities, but are actually extensions of the same fundamental something!

    Beyond Cause and Effect

    Quantum Entanglement seems to throw out the whole notion of cause and effect, as we know it! It is possible for a particle to interact with another particle in such a way that the quantum states of the two particles form a single entangled state. The definition of an entangled state is that it is not entirely independent of the other's state. Its state is dependent on another's state in some way. Given this dependency, it is a mistake to consider either state in isolation from the other. Rather we should combine the states and treat the result as a single, entangled state.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-...the-holographic-universe-2011-4#ixzz2nOM71G57


     
    #23     Dec 13, 2013

  4. I agree.

    It makes sense though. Since the two particles are part of larger singular whole - the singularity - what happens to one simultaneously happens to another.

    It serves as more proof that all was one thing at the big bang, and is still.
     
    #24     Dec 13, 2013
  5. stu

    stu

    No, just insults means ....just insults. What it says. What you do while hypocritically accusing others.

    Although in your confused world, down means up and everything else means what you want it to.

    Just as you demonstrate above and in numerous other threads, you haven't a clue what is meant in science by what is actually being said in science.

    That'll be basically because whenever you quote any, all you're ever trying to do is misunderstand and misconstrue what is actually being said and meant, in an extremely unintelligent endeavour to draw some ridiculous religious conclusion or other.

    Substance? pfft. You don't even know the meaning of the word.
     
    #25     Dec 14, 2013
  6. stu

    stu

    Which is thought of like a goldfish in an aquarium, where there are cameras each picking up an image of the fish one from the front and one from the side of the tank .

    Had you never been able to watch the fish and had no other knowledge of a fish's actions or state other than through two separate screens in another room reproducing two different images, you may first quite reasonably hypothesize there are two separate entities.

    But as you observe them you'll become increasingly aware that there is a relationship between them and however far the two images are separated from each other, the "instantaneous action-at-a-distance " or the classical nonlocal interaction separated in space, must be due to them communicating or transmitting information.

    Of course that is not the case, and had it been possible to understand the true circumstances of the fish, it could be appreciated that there are things yet to be discovered about the nonlocal aspects of Quantum Potential Theory explaining relationships between twin particles over vast distances reacting with each other, seemingly faster than light, without violating the laws of physics.
    For one thing.. that they are possibly, essentially, one of the same.

    Part of the holographic universe put forward as a metaphore by Bohm, basically represents his findings that there are different levels of reality, at which reality operates differently, as a part of the whole of reality.
     
    #26     Dec 14, 2013
  7. nitro

    nitro

    All of science is based on its own golden rule: all knowledge and wisdom that can ultimately be tested through experiment, if experimental results disagree with the hypotheses, the hypotheses is wrong.

    Those things that cannot be tested are left to philosophy.
     
    #27     Dec 14, 2013
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Is this a good time to bring up multiverse theory.
     
    #28     Dec 14, 2013
  9. jem

    jem

    Once again stu tries to redefine the word just.
    willing to disregard common usage for the sake of trolling.
    you are such a hack passive aggressive troll.

    i had not dealt with you for weeks or months. I did not insult you or even speak to you on this thread. unless you no longer deny your alter ego is fc. .

    You come out of the gate with your little fairly-like passive aggressive insults and then you take my comments out of context. you are a troll loser stu.

     
    #29     Dec 14, 2013
  10. jem

    jem

    or of course the universe could really be like a hologram.

    I doubt you are a peer of the scientists we link to here or 077ohms (who may be a heavy in this field), but, even if you were... it would just be your opinion. Perhaps you could link to some science once in a while.

     
    #30     Dec 14, 2013