is the market ever going to go down

Discussion in 'Trading' started by staffpro, Feb 23, 2012.

  1. noddyboy

    noddyboy


    i.e. find some low points and draw a bottom line. find some high points and draw a top line.

    If bottom line goes up faster, then it is a wedge. so bearish.
    If bottom line goes up slower, then it is a megaphone. so bearish.

    oh wait...what can possibly be not bearish?
     
    #21     Feb 24, 2012
  2. +1000
     
    #22     Feb 24, 2012
  3. Yes I agree that the market is being manipulated and they want to continue to suck all the retail investors in before they drop it. See they also do that so all the contrarians will eventually crack and second guess themselves. They got you then.

    The market is coming down but they have so many ways to keep propping it up so it may be next year.
     
    #23     Feb 24, 2012
  4. clacy

    clacy

    You shouldn't get married to any position, but if you must, then I would get bullish on gold. Of all the asset classes, gold has the "best" reasons for going higher, IMO.

    Money printing by virtually every central bank.... Check
    Fear of currency devaluation and bond defaults.... Check
    Geopolitical uncertainty..... Check
    Negative Real Interest Rates.... Check

    What's not to love?

    Of course that can change at any minute, but I'm not sure how at this point. It is fairly high already, but what isn't?

    Government debt seems like a bubble. Stocks are being propped up. Commodities are more likely to correlate with stocks.

    The developed countries have painted themselves into a corner, mostly because of demographics, where they have to keep interest rates low (with real rates negative) for the foreseeable future.

    In fact, they have even been nice enough to announce this strategy.
     
    #24     Feb 24, 2012
  5. If the USD keeps getting sold off like it has over the last few weeks then market will continue to climb. However, it is all relative when you convert S&P500 or DJIA to another currency or gold or oil. On that basis we are standing still.

    USD is looking very sick. It appears we have central bank action at work.
     
    #25     Feb 24, 2012
  6. Ted85050

    Ted85050

    I went short on a gambling stock and it continues to sky rocket. Am I going to have to wait until after the election in November to break even?
     
    #26     Feb 24, 2012
  7. Yup. I agree load up on Gold. The major cycles last about 20 years and money flows from Gold and silver into real estate and then back into the stock market. It doesn't mean you can't make money in any of these areas when the majority of people are not in them. Actually about the time the masses all focus on one area is when you know it is time to move on.
     
    #27     Feb 24, 2012
  8. Pardon my ignorance, but does the Fed REALLY buy tons of ES and SPY to drive the market up? Or are you guys just joking around?
     
    #28     Feb 24, 2012
  9. joespo

    joespo

    LOL! I am wondering the same thing!
    Either I'm stupid for not knowing this or stupid for blindly believing it until I saw this post!
     
    #29     Feb 27, 2012
  10. Not sure if they actually buy the ES and SPY outright. The Fed creates an 'easy money' policy by purchasing US Treasuries which floods the banks with liquidity. This money ends up funneling into the stock market, since rates are so low.

    There is always chatter of a PPT (plunge protection team) but the Fed will never admit it, so it's labeled as conspiracy theory.

    However, the term "quantitative easing" or "QE" used by the Fed is simply a defacto way of pumping up the market.

    Check out this link for more info:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Group_on_Financial_Markets
     
    #30     Feb 28, 2012