Is Roger Clemens lying his ass off?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Rearden Metal, Feb 13, 2008.

Is Roger Clemens lying his ass off?

  1. Yes, he's clearly lying

    33 vote(s)
    62.3%
  2. No, he's being honest.

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  3. I'm not sure whether he's lying or not.

    6 vote(s)
    11.3%
  4. I'm not following Clemens' testemony, so I don't know.

    2 vote(s)
    3.8%
  5. Steroids/Cheating in Baseball? I couldn't give two shits about this entire non-issue.

    11 vote(s)
    20.8%
  1. chud

    chud

    Taking steroids 25 years ago would have zero effect on his current muscular development. I think what you're noticing with the large traps is more a feature of people genetically predisposed to a muscular build than an indicator of steroid use. Steroids can't target muscle groups.
     
    #41     Feb 14, 2008
  2. it will effect all, but some will not deserve.
     
    #42     Feb 14, 2008
  3. Cutten

    Cutten

    He shouldn't be lying. That's the prerogative of Congress, after all ;)
     
    #43     Feb 14, 2008
  4. You are correct, cortisone is different kind of steroid , it relieves pain and swelling. If cortisol is taken it is important not to excercise for at least two weeks because cortisone steroids weaken tendon tissue and for this reason must not be taken repeatedly..
    Nandrolone steroid group( HGH and such ) is very effective in healing and growing back damaged tissue. Cortisone doesn't grow anything back .
    So proper treatment is to get a shot of Cortisone, wait for three days then start taking nandrolone steroids, not doing any excersize for two weeks, then do physical therapy for three weeks and you are like new.
    I just described treatment given in those remarkable recoveries you read about in sports section ,when someone has healed in three months instead of a year.
    This is done in every sport .
     
    #44     Feb 14, 2008
  5. Bootsie

    Bootsie

    Pretty much right on, if you're a Dr. prescribing treatment, but I've seen guys get shots (cortisone) at noon and be taking their 3rd at-bat of the night 10 hrs later...

    (Di-methyl-suloxide (DMSO) same deal (sp?))
    But with this shit they put it on sprained ankles at half-time so guys can be back in to start the 3rd quarter in the NBA.
     
    #45     Feb 14, 2008
  6. Whenever Ratboy wants people to take the points he raises more seriously, all he has to do is:

    *Quit being so abusive! Calling people 'moron' & 'idiot' in every second post does little toward swaying others to your side. Respect is a two-way street... You catch more flies with honey... (insert cliché here)...

    *Show a bare minimum of open-mindedness & flexibility. It's OK to change your mind once in a while, after new facts have been presented to you. Rat- To your credit, I did see a glimpse of flexibility in one of your recent posts. Kudos, and please keep it up!

    *Quit jumping to conclusions based on inconclusive evidence!
    Instead of becoming <b>100% certain</b> of the theories you come up with, it would be far more logical and respectable to phrase it: "I suspect that X is possible." and not "I'm 100% positive that X is God's given truth."
    Some things simply can't possibly be known for certain.

    Rat- I'm not saying all this to flame or bash you in the slightest.
    You've been on my side of the issues more often than not lately, so I often WANT you to be taken more seriously. The suggestions above could really help you accomplish that.
     
    #46     Feb 14, 2008
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    #47     Feb 14, 2008
  8. I think you're wrong. I'll just go with the balance of probability as I see it, based on years of observation. If you take anabolic steroids, your trapezius muscles will puff up. If you do not, then you will almost certainly never have that kind of defined development in that muscle group. I have never touched the stuff and never will, but I'm fairly confident that I can spot usage by just looking at someone's traps, either male or female. I would bet money on this, and I'm very risk averse.
     
    #48     Feb 14, 2008
  9. Bootsie

    Bootsie

    Nope.
     
    #49     Feb 14, 2008
  10. U.S. says Bonds failed steroids test after homer mark

    Reuters

    Updated: February 14, 2008, 8:46 PM ET

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    SAN FRANCISCO -- Barry Bonds tested positive for steroids in November 2001, just a month after hitting his record 73rd home run of the season, U.S. prosecutors said on Thursday.

    The allegation came in a legal filing in his steroid perjury case that referred to Bonds' long-time trainer, Greg Anderson.

    "At trial, the government's evidence will show that Bonds received steroids from Anderson in the period before the November 2001 positive drug test, and that evidence raises the inference that Anderson gave Bonds the steroids that caused him to test positive in November 2001," U.S. Attorney Joseph Russoniello wrote.

    The U.S. government made the assertion in a document that asked a federal court to reject Bonds' motion last month to dismiss the charges that he lied about past steroid use.

    In December, the record seven-time National League Most Valuable Player pleaded not guilty to lying to a federal grand jury in 2003 when he denied using performance-enhancing drugs.

    He testified in the BALCO sports steroid case, which ended up jailing his personal trainer, Anderson, and the head of the BALCO lab near San Francisco.

    The latest government motion also referred to a question by a prosecutor during the BALCO case to "determine why Bonds apparently tested positive for anabolic steroids in November 2000."

    To date, prosecutors have revealed little about the details they have in the case against Bonds, the greatest hitter of his era long dogged by suspicions about doping.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3246542
     
    #50     Feb 14, 2008