Is price movement really random and unpredictable?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by schizo, Jan 9, 2024.

How accurately can you predict the next bar or candle?

Poll closed Feb 8, 2024.
  1. Usually less than 25% of the time

    23.1%
  2. Between 25% - 50%

    28.2%
  3. Between 50% - 75%

    33.3%
  4. Almost always above 75% of the time

    15.4%
  1. ironchef

    ironchef

    :thumbsup:

    My favorite author and favorite book.

    He and this book changed the way I trade options.
     
    #131     Jan 15, 2024
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  2. schizo

    schizo

    How so?
     
    #132     Jan 16, 2024
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  3. Poljot

    Poljot

    Although the value of price returns are random like in this dataset: (+0.1%, +0.05%, +1.5%, +2.5%, +0.01%) during a trend the direction of price, which is a sequence of n closing prices, is not random (UP, UP, UP, UP ,UP).
     
    #133     Jan 16, 2024
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  4. panzerman

    panzerman

    And how do you propose to identify when these up moves begin and when they end with anything other than 50% precision over a statistically relevant amount of trades?
     
    #134     Jan 16, 2024
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  5. ironchef

    ironchef

    Here is one quote from the book I totally agree:

    t h e b a c k t e s t er

    A programmer helped me build a backtester. It is a software program

    connected to a database of historical prices which allows me to check

    the hypothetical past performance of any trading rule of average complexity.

    I can just apply a mechanical trading rule, like buy NASDAQ

    stocks if they close more than 1.83% above their average of the previous

    week, and immediately get an idea of its past performance. The screen

    will flash my hypothetical track record associated with the trading rule.

    If I do not like the results, I can change the percentage, to say, 1.2%. I

    can also make the rule more complex. I will keep trying until I find

    something that works well.

    What am I doing? The exact same task of looking for the survivor

    within the set of rules that can possibly work. I am fitting the rule on the

    data. This activity is called data snooping. The more I try, the more I am

    likely, by mere luck, to find a rule that worked on past data. A random

    series will always present some detectable pattern. I am convinced that

    there exists a tradable security in the Western world that would be

    100% correlated with the changes in temperature in Oulan Bator,

    Mongolia.
     
    #135     Jan 17, 2024
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  6. ironchef

    ironchef

    Rare events, Black Swans are underpriced.

    In 2014 I switched from writing options, collecting "free" money to buying DOTM options. Have been doing that since.

    The rest is history.
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2024
    #136     Jan 17, 2024
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  7. schizo

    schizo

    Wow, unless you can look into the future, that sounds super risky. :)
     
    #137     Jan 17, 2024
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  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    Why is it risky? As a buyer, my risks are bounded but my rewards unbounded.

    The smart professional option traders all trade combinations, spreads and exploit the microstructures, the skews.

    As an amateur retail I don't have the skills so have to do something unconventional to make money.
     
    #138     Jan 17, 2024
  9. schizo

    schizo

    But do you not agree that most "DOTM" expire worthless (for a reason)?
     
    #139     Jan 17, 2024
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  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    Absolutely, probably 95-99%.

    The job is to hunt for the 1-5% that have a chance of breaking out. It is not easy but I do sleep well knowing what my max losses would be.
     
    #140     Jan 17, 2024
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