Is paper trading a waste of time or does it yield benefits?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by helpme_please, Nov 23, 2018.

  1. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    I had a week off and went demo, trading improved, also had to master setting up and moving SL's quickly on PC MT4, Ipad MT4 and Andriod MT4 all annoyingly different and very basic, PC version not to bad but other 2, just nasty!

    Lets you work on issues, take bad trades without caring to practice exit strategy, normally I only get 1 or 2 losers per week, then I'm useless at handling them, demo let me make loads and practice, but not real money, see if translates to live next week.
     
    #21     Nov 23, 2018
  2. Very good point. The mindset issues occur with me when I have no clue what I am doing when trading and not confident in what I am doing.

    If I knew I how to make money trading and I proved it to myself. I wouldn't have any mind issues cause I know the overall odds of winning.
     
    #22     Nov 23, 2018
  3. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    LOL is right - practice is not live. A hundred years ago or present day.

    Like Mike Tyson said everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth - literally not figuratively.
     
    #23     Nov 23, 2018
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  4. Sprout

    Sprout

    We both agree practice is not live. Going live having an appropriate level of practice is different than live without. It's reasonable as papertrading, backtesting, sim support in developing enough confidence in one's methodology to produce positive expectancy prior to adding the complex mix of emotions that live trading can stimulate.

    After getting punched in the mouth a trained fighter will put up their guard from trained habit, an untrained one will be in dazed and confused with their guard down being wide open for the KO.

    Papertrading, Sim, etc. are not a substitute for live trading more a compliment of and has it's rightful place as a useful tool.
     
    #24     Nov 23, 2018
  5. JSOP

    JSOP

    But practice does make it perfect so when you do eventually trade live you would be more ready. I mean trading live is a given as all traders would eventually trade live; that's what we trader do, we trade. It's just that we want to trade better when trading live and the OP's question is whether paper trading would help us trade better when we trade live? And I think most of us would agree the answer is yes. Does paper trading replace trading live?
     
    #25     Nov 23, 2018
  6. Overnight

    Overnight

    I'm going to go to my bloody grave screaming this I guess...

    You wanna' give it a shot? Start with 1 contract on MGC! Why is this such a difficult concept? You have gotten into trading...It is a business.. Some days you lose money, some days you make money.

    Don't look at MGC's low volume and think you can 't do anything with meaning.

    In what other market can you get in and out with a $1 per tick move, with fair volume? Don't try to arb the thing with the big brother of GC, it will never work. Yer retail. Juts use it to try some stuff. Oi!
     
    #26     Nov 23, 2018
  7. qlai

    qlai

    Simplistic simulator is fairly easy to provide. Instead of routing order to venue(nyse, NASDAQ, etc), fake fill the orders internally. Everything else stays the same. Realistic simulator is more difficult and for some instruments impossible (latency, fill rate, market impact, etc). Must have feature though for any respectable platform, imo.
     
    #27     Nov 24, 2018
  8. I think the key is to create reliable entry and exit signals which have objective criterias. As a simple example, a MA crossover and stochastic value is objective. There is no interpretation.

    You enter and exit on signals as they occur.

    A more discretionary approach allows for interpretation and real time analysis, i.e., "The market looks weak. I think it's going down. No wait - maybe it's actually going up."

    All thinking should be done prior to market open, IMO.
     
    #28     Nov 24, 2018
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  9. Maybe.

    What if we then define it as a position size where a loss at your pre-determined stop level is nearly meaningless or one where you can take 20 stops in a row and still suffer no consequences?

    Contrast this with very high leverage where you're risking huge amounts on any one single trade and you'll blow up with 3 losses in a row. I think this is also more likely to have people adjust their stops since any one single trade is hugely important and they simply 'can't afford to lose'.
     
    #29     Nov 24, 2018
  10. Bekim

    Bekim

    I find for my type of trading that it is useless. If you are trading something highly liquid you might get some benefit from it. I believe the best way to learn is to trade as small a possible with real money until you become consistently profitable and then up the size.
     
    #30     Nov 24, 2018
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