Is NBBO guaranteed with Interactive Brokers' SMART routing?

Discussion in 'Retail Brokers' started by elitetradesman, Nov 11, 2013.

  1. Bob111

    Bob111

    yep..assuming that there is enough shares at that price.like i said-OP is missing a lot of crucial variables.such as order size, size on each side,depth
     
    #11     Nov 12, 2013
  2. Thank you for the confirmation.
     
    #12     Nov 12, 2013
  3. def

    def Sponsor

    your welcome. There will be lots of misinformation by those either uninformed and others who are not willing to believe or comprehend why IB strives to obtain the best pricing for clients. If in doubt, I'd urge you to do side by side tests against other brokers.
     
    #13     Nov 12, 2013
  4. Actually, it would be on you to learn the difference in order types.

    He was correct when he said "marketable" limit order in his example. There is such a thing, and it's even a very common order entry style for traders working in a DMA environment.
     
    #14     Nov 13, 2013
  5. Eyez

    Eyez


    :confused:

    No he did not. But I understand your looking to increase your post count with retarded comments.

    http://lexicon.ft.com/Term?term=marketable-limit-order


    Buy limit will always be below current market, sell limit will always be above. to place a buy limit above market it has to be a buy stop limit, and viceversa.
     
    #15     Nov 13, 2013
  6. Again, incorrect, and ironically you linked a correct definition of "marketable limit order" in the process.

    Also, it's awesome how you'll just revert to insulting me directly vs defending your argument.

    A marketable limit order is a normal limit order where the price is set above the current offer for buy orders, and below the current bid for sell orders. . Just like how OP described. It is NOT a market order. It is NOT a buy stop order. Placing a limit buy order above the offer does not make it a buy stop order like you suggested...

    The order tells the exchange/ECN that you are willing to trade on all prices up to your limit price, if another participant happens to have an opposing order with a price that can be matched with your order, you'll get it.

    In OP's example, he will send a marketable limit order to buy at $10. The NBBO offer is $9.75. He will be matched on the book on the NBBO should the shares be available to fill his order, and if not, he'll get any shares on the offer with prices up to $10 to fill his order with any remaining unfilled portion sitting bid at $10.

    The difference between a marketable limit order and a "market order" is: Should price have jumped while he was entering his order, say, because of news or some illiquid movement, he has a price limit to how much he is willing to pay ($10) and if there are no shares on the offer at that price or better he will just be sitting as a limit bid at $10 instead of getting a fill possibly much higher with a market order. In this example, the price change is a bit extreme (although still possible,) but you can imagine this being very useful when you want to get in an expensive and fast moving stock within a narrow price range without being slipped to all hell by a market order. SPY, AAPL, GOOG, etc...

    The difference between a marketable limit order and a "buy/sell stop" order is that the marketable limit order will execute should the book have opposing orders to match you within your limit price, while a buy/sell stop order requires your trigger price to be met first before the order is executed.

    Perhaps your retail broker didn't have a trading 101 page on this so you got confused. :p *jab*

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    Then again, why do I bother? You showed your cards and ego in the last response, so who cares if you were still wrong.. I should have just given you a response in kind, a response that's akin to ET's culture: "You're out of your league son, and you don't know what you're talking about."
     
    #16     Nov 13, 2013
  7. crmorris

    crmorris


    don't make me laugh.

    https://www.interactivebrokers.com/...rmSampleView?ad=order_routing_disclosure.html

    ib receives payment for order flow. any idea why someone would be willing to pay for orders ... any idea at all?
     
    #17     Nov 13, 2013
  8. def

    def Sponsor

    I'm not going to get in a tit for tat with you as I've had this argument before and you either have an axe to grind or refuse to believe there are firms out there than genuinely attempt to provide the best executions for their client. You can read why we believe IB is different here:
    https://www.interactivebrokers.com.hk/en/index.php?f=1340

    Under the link you'll lso include independently audited price improvement stats. As a broker, there are mandatory payment for flow plans and also economic reasons to route a tie to the venue providing the lowest cost for the broker. For those that want to look into this with a open mind, do compare the 606 reports for IB against other firms and for the real deal, do side by side live trading tests.
     
    #18     Nov 13, 2013
  9. def- I think my question above about the "Seek Price Improvement" setting in TWS got lost in the mix here. Would you mind addressing it when you have a chance? It should be relevant to the discussion and the best execution data in that link. Thanks
     
    #19     Nov 14, 2013
  10. There used to be a free website out there that allowed you to manually check something like 5 free trades a month against the NBBO.

    EDIT: I'll try to find or remember it. I think they also used to help/facilitate a price improvement claim against the broker in the event it was outside the spread.
     
    #20     Nov 19, 2013