is market random?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by padutrader, Sep 27, 2019.

is market random

  1. yes

    9 vote(s)
    16.1%
  2. no

    17 vote(s)
    30.4%
  3. not all the time

    19 vote(s)
    33.9%
  4. does not matter

    11 vote(s)
    19.6%
  1. padutrader

    padutrader

    you have a point.
    it is market activity -buying and selling-and the effect it has on market.
    i believe it is relative strength of the buyers and sellers that drive market movements.
    this relative strength may be deduced from market movements
    incidentally i too answered 'does not matter '....and i believe that.
     
    #11     Sep 27, 2019
  2. padutrader

    padutrader

    good point
    are traders buying and selling randomly?

    they are all trading because of some reason,whether they are right or wrong is another matter.

    mathematicians will talk like mathematicians.

    i do not think probability can be applied to a situation where the outcome may be influenced by outside interference:GS has enough money power to prove any mathematician, or the theory of probability, wrong if it was not illegal to do so.
     
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    #12     Sep 27, 2019

  3. market index moves higher because that is inflation. similar to bank interest.
    how about intraday market, do you think it is random?
     
    #13     Sep 27, 2019
  4. padutrader

    padutrader

    maybe we should define the word random .
     
    #14     Sep 27, 2019
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  5. heispark

    heispark

    Seeing the price respects major MAs, I see this is not perfectly random........ Even random walk should not be perfectly random. The walk should avoid dog shit for example....
     
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    #15     Sep 28, 2019
  6. padutrader

    padutrader

    why did i vote does not matter.

    i think that money can be made even if market is random.

    and i believe that market movements

    does random mean that market movements have no reasoning or logic......? or is there any other definition.
     
    #16     Sep 28, 2019
  7. Huh? No, if you flip coins there is no trend in anything, simply because there is no drift component in the stochastic path of each series of coin flips. Running 1000 series of 10 coin flips you end up with about 50% values above where you started and 50% below. Coin flips are a poor example to describe asset price behavior. Stocks have an up drift component because of value creation that shareholders participate in. Futures prices can exhibit drift depending on the underlying but generally they don't. Fx prices don't at all exhibit drifts

    What market practitioners describe as trends are from a statistical forecasting perspective purely random outcomes. Even when flipping coins often enough there may be 10 heads in a row by mere chance. However there is a component that is causing non random events, those are what I call catalysts of statistically significant cointegration. The timing of them is again random and cannot be predicted. But subsequent outcomes are not random. The duration is random, the timing is random which makes prediction a futile approach to trading and which makes trading on trend changes a statistically sound approach. The devil is obviously in the detail but most retail traders do not even comprehend the above to begin with.

     
    #17     Sep 28, 2019
  8. padutrader

    padutrader

    if you flip a coin the coin flipper cannot influence the result

    but the result of asset prices can be influenced simply by controlling demand and supply
     
    #18     Sep 28, 2019
  9. volpri

    volpri

    Bingo! Our Taleb disciple in another thread would not answer “what is market activity”.

    I had asked (don’t remember the exact amount) him what makes a market move 1 tick or 20 tick....etc. He responded “market activity”. I then asked what is market activity. No answer as of yet.
     
    #19     Sep 28, 2019
  10. volpri

    volpri

    Random | Definition of Random by Merriam-Webster
    Aug 24, 2019 · Definition of random (Entry 2 of 3) 1a : lacking a definite plan, purpose, or pattern. b : made, done, or chosen at random read random passages from the book. 2a : relating to, having, or being elements or events with definite probability of occurrence random processes.
     
    #20     Sep 28, 2019