is market random?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by padutrader, Sep 27, 2019.

is market random

  1. yes

    9 vote(s)
    16.1%
  2. no

    17 vote(s)
    30.4%
  3. not all the time

    19 vote(s)
    33.9%
  4. does not matter

    11 vote(s)
    19.6%
  1. ironchef

    ironchef

    My question has nothing to do with randomness.

    Prof Tom said the best predictor of price is by using yesterday's price, I was asking him how to predict using yesterday's price.
     
    #91     Sep 30, 2019
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  2. padutrader

    padutrader

    is that not what technical analysis is about.
    since Prof Tom is very busy and he charges 50000 usd for his introductory sermon i am pleased to tell you that there are lot of free answers on the web if you search google
     
    #92     Sep 30, 2019
  3. ironchef,

    Take a break and enjoy some music good buddy. Pick one and relax a bit.

    Thank me later. :cool:










    and most importantly.




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpVfcZ0ZcFM
     
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    #93     Sep 30, 2019
  4. padutrader

    padutrader

    are you a doctor:D
     
    #94     Sep 30, 2019
  5. Hello padutrader,

    Yes I am sir.
     
    #95     Oct 1, 2019
  6. ironchef

    ironchef

    Just your thought (i.e., opinion) or do you have objective evidence, or you backtested some data, or..?

    Please enlighten us. Thanks.
     
    #96     Oct 1, 2019
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  7. padutrader

    padutrader

    for thirty years i have seen the sun rise up in the east.
    for thirty years i have seen the markets do things.
    back test?
    why?
     
    #97     Oct 1, 2019
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  8. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    It is a spectrum, though -- and to present it (thus far) as a dichotomy is not helpful to at least half of this thread's readers.

    Whether by art or by science, we are always trying to divine the market's direction and intentions, and Milton Friedman's "As-If Principle" is the rule of our day -- as shown in our Net Liq... And when (again, 'by art or by science') we discern a regime change is necessary on *our* part, to mimic the market, we are doing it not because all our little ducks were lined up in a row, but because a *sufficient*number* of them were lined up.

    What is more is that the post to which I was replying was replete with errors, *one* of which was a wholesale denial of mean reversion in market phenomenon, which is quackery and utter nonsense.

    As for "proving" whether the single best predictor of a price today being yesterday's price -- errrrrr, no. (Nor more than I'd prove gravity to you, or the roundness of the Earth, or a heliocentric solar system. :rolleyes: ) But I'll give you the opportunity to prove the opposite: a little thought experiment:

    You find yourself duct-taped to a chair, in a dark room lit by one bulb off in the corner. A gun is in your face, and a sinister voice says, "I'm going to give you three prices for the current SPX. Guess the right one, and you live. Guess the wrong one, and the gun goes off right into your brain." The three prices are $2513, $yesterday's_close, and $3539.

    "Your choice."
     
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    #98     Oct 1, 2019
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  9. Nobody denied that price paths sometimes mean revert. What you suggested, and which is utter nonsense, is that price paths revert back to some long term mean.

     
    #99     Oct 1, 2019
  10. tradenet

    tradenet

    Well no, i don’t believe markets are random. Every move has some reason attached to it and hence price moves in a certain direction. Though some factors maybe quite uncertain than others but calling these markets random won’t be right. There is logic behind every price move.
     
    #100     Oct 3, 2019