Is manual day trading dead?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by 777, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. Mtrader

    Mtrader

    If you add up the daily potential profits you can make, you will beat by far the potential of medium long term and long term trading. There is only 1 condition: you should have the needed qualifications for daytrading. And most (99%) of traders don’t have these qualifications.

    These traders have problems and say: You get better profitability with longer period weekly swings.

    What they actually mean but cannot say because of their ego is: I am too stupid to daytrade.

    The only reason for trading longer then 1 day is because of the size of your position. This size is smaller in daytrading as it would be in trading longer timeframes. But as most people here trade micro accounts, they will never bump into size problems when daytrading.


    If you get better profitability with longer period weekly swings, it means that you don’t have the qualifications to daytrade.
     
    #11     Dec 4, 2016
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  2. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    Trading as a hobby mainly on and off for nearly 20years, its as unpredictable and as much of a pain in the ass as its ever been, Imsee no real change.

    Sure HFT skims a bit between the bid and the ask, but thats all its doing, just buying then selling immediately for a quick macro profit, doesnt change how the market moves, but does move money its way.
     
    #12     Dec 4, 2016
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  3. motif

    motif

    What are your "qualifications" to day trade? I've gotta hear this...
     
    #13     Dec 4, 2016
  4. Mtrader

    Mtrader

    There are different possible approaches. And different appraoches need different qualifications. But it is very simple to find out. Just daytrade and see how your bank account goes. It will be quickly clear if you are qualified or not.
    I will not give away any hints, there are other very professional people on ET (at least that's what they think) who can help you.
     
    #14     Dec 4, 2016
  5. Is manual check writing dead? No. banks still give you checks if you order them and businesses and individuals still use them. Many, if not most, HFT firms are trading at the nano second level. That is their battlefield as the fight each other for tiny profits based on the concept of huge volume.

    That doesn't really affect very much the trader trading off say a 5 or 10 minute chart. In addition, the algos...etc are based on mathematical formulas. Emotion, to some degree, is being removed from the markets, but, that net effect is to actually make price more precise. You can't best them at the nano second level (not even manually possible) but 5 minute..10 minute...15 minute..well that is all up for grabs.

    Just look at a chart pre HTF...PRE ALGO..and compare it to a chart today. Still has trends. Still has pullbacks, Still has ranges. Still has triangles..flags...channels..double tops and bottoms..etc ...ad nauseum. In short, if those things could be traded pre algo...pre hft with profits and they still show up on a chart with post hft and post algo then they can STILL be traded for profits. In fact, the markets are probally becoming more precise, and they have more liquidity, as more and more emotion is being removed from trading and more firms are going to Hft. Look..the hft and algos are not that interested in you and I. They are battling each other. We are peanuts to them. We are potatoe chip money to them. They are trying to take profits from each other.

    Is daytrading still alive? Of course it is! Maybe even more alive. It may take some adjustment to ones personal strategies and tactics that one had used previousley in the markets but it is not dead. For instance, i used to daytrade stocks just for 1/4 or 3/4 back in the day when they were quoted that way. I did this off the top of the book ..just the bid and ask price and vol and watching what the specialist and Market makers were doing. I don't do that any more and don't try too. To me that area of trading has been affected by Hft ...etc

    Discretionary trading is still alive and well. In overall terms, no computer has the power of the human mind and brain. It may best the brain and body at the nano second level because of the physical limitations of the body to act and react fast enough but 5 minutes out...no way..the brain is much more powerful. Nevertheless, it does take proper knowledge in the brain as it has to have reference points to work off from. My opinion. I could be wrong. I have been before.
     
    #15     Dec 4, 2016
  6. MarkGroes

    MarkGroes

    If your trading rules can be programmed, it is best to use the algorithm. It will be much better for your health and your account.
     
    #16     Dec 4, 2016
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  7. dealmaker

    dealmaker

    You still can day trade manually except now your trades have to be qualitative not quantitative...
     
    #17     Dec 4, 2016
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  8. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    I manual day trade every day. It is alive and well.
     
    #18     Dec 4, 2016
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  9. Wow! So many people agreeing on something here (that it's still alive)!!!
    This must be a record breaking thread on ET!!
     
    #19     Dec 4, 2016
  10. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    Not only is it alive, but I really don't think AutoTrading legit ( for Joe Poor mc average ), it's a dream nobody long term has yet achieved!
     
    #20     Dec 4, 2016