Is it realistic to design a 100% rule based system that will make you money every month?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Dmitry8, Jan 10, 2024.

  1. Zwaen

    Zwaen

    But it is realistic to create a method to get you in at the bottom, at low (relative cost)
     
    #11     Jan 27, 2024
  2. schizo

    schizo

    LEARN TO TRADE FIRST!!!

    THEN CODE.
     
    #12     Jan 27, 2024
  3. Hello Dmitry8,

    Your questions is valid.

    I have no answer, because I do not know anyone who trades for a living.
     
    #13     Jan 27, 2024
  4. Overnight

    Overnight

    You ARE a real passive-aggressive mother fucker, aren't you. Seriously?

    You, Mr. Master trader of the ES who takes money from all of the peons, has no advice for this lackey? YOU who claim to have now taken THOUSANDS, MINIMAL, from the ES?

    You claim, on every thread you can stake your penis upon, that you are the master of the ES market, and you can do no wrong. In the same fucking breath...

    "I have no answer, because I do not know anyone who trades for a living..".

    I could make this a stupid question, and ask something like...: For how long has my journal been on this website? So much for YOUR cred. Faker.

     
    #14     Jan 28, 2024
  5. toucan

    toucan

    @Dmitry

    I came across a relatively simple 100% rule based BREAKOUT system that someone designed for Forex markets. The guy showed a backtest of the BREAKOUT system and it had a significant P/L, BUT there was a major problem with it. It would make money for long periods of time relatively consistently but would then become a BREAK-EVEN system for over a year (i.e. neither making nor losing significant money during that time, ignoring trading costs). This was a Forex system, and this person stated that the reason why this BREAKOUT system would not make money for such a long period of time is because there was a "volatility crunch", where there was a sharp non-steady drop in Forex market volatility that lasted for a long period of time. This sudden drop in volatility was around year 2013/2014 and affected all major currency pairs.

    I can relate to what you say above. I currently daytrade futures and have always traded trends. so everything that I say here is based on my daytrading trends experience. I define volatility in terms of trends. when volatility increases it produces longer trends. when volatility decreases, the trends get shorter and shorter and finally price action turns into chop.

    In my experience there have been 3 periods where volatility and its trends were great for daytrading. The tech bubble at the end of the 90’s. The financial crisis of 2008-2010 and covid 2020-2022. The tech bubble, I didn’t recognize when volatility changed and lost a bundle. During the financial crisis, I switched to currencies and my profits were very consistent. The last was covid and I recognized it early and again my profits were very consistent due to the longer trends. in between these 3 periods, my profits were inconsistent.

    about 5 years ago, I started looking for ways to improve profit consistency during times of lower volatility/shorter trends. I recognized that I should focus on futures that have good volatility/trends. I chose metals and energies and currently trade gold, natty and crude. i continue to look at trading copper and silver, but right now silver is too choppy and copper trends are too short to trade. copper was my favorite over gold, until it wasn’t. The second thing that I did was to change my daytrading process so it adusts for volatility changes. This works within a limited set of parameters and if a future doesn’t meet those parameters, I stop trading it. An example is when I stopped daytrading copper and silver.

    The bottom line is that I am more consistent today than I have ever been due to picking the right futures contracts to trade and adjusting for volatility/trending.

    toucan
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2024
    #15     Jan 28, 2024
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  6. tomorton

    tomorton

    I have seen similar research and conclusions on Youtube at TheTransparentTrader.

    But his backtesting of strategies is normally broad, by which he applies each strategy to multiple forex pairs through the same time period. He finds that firstly, yes, TA-based mechanical strategies applied to a single pair eventually degrade and become losers. But his tests on other pairs shows that as performance degrades on several pairs, it is simultaneously improving on several others. While other strategies on these same pairs are moving oppositely.

    This suggests fluctuation of perfomance is due to unpredictable performance probabilities of the strategy itself, not changing market conditions.
     
    #16     Jan 28, 2024
  7. toucan

    toucan

    each future that i trade tends to expand/contract trends over time, so i run my volatility/trending algo on the past 10 trading days on a regular basis, then adjust my trading process accordingly and it provides more consistent profits.
     
    #17     Jan 28, 2024
  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    You asked the question like someone working for a paycheck.

    I have always been a contrarian and travelled off the beaten paths. IMHO, I suggest you ask a different question: how do I maximize my returns? If high enough it is OK to be only occasionally profitable.

    A high end realtor may only sell 1-2 trophy houses a year but the commissions are more than enough to compensate for the lean months in between....
     
    #18     Jan 29, 2024
  9. Handle123

    Handle123

    Took me several years to trade/develop long term futures system where most months small gains/loses occur and few months where many markets are moving positive. It is an ongoing method exploring ways of hedging to get risk to zero.

    Swing trading took about same amount of time with less losing months once I added hedging.

    Scalping took ten years to be consistently profitable and another ten years every week and now automated. Both of them are incredible little amount of rules and trend is not considered.

    What most never consider is time or effort put into trading business as I would work 70 hours a week for a decade. Most would never consider giving up vacations.
     
    #19     Jan 29, 2024
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  10. Virtu famously lost money on only one day out of 5 years. It's definitely possible to be green every month.
     
    #20     Jan 29, 2024