Is it realistic to average $17.50 a day trading YM with 3.5k ??

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by jimmygold, May 11, 2007.

  1. BJL

    BJL

    1) It is proven, or do you think so? Are you the living proof of it, having scored +80% or more consistently for over 5 years?

    2) This is only really relevant when talking about ultra short scalping in the direction with the trend. Not the only game in town.

    3) Agreed. Challenging, but not near impossible.
     
    #41     May 13, 2007
  2. So it seems you just want to argue...

    1) It is proven. Whether or not I am included in the dataset is irrelevant.

    2) Size is pertinent to all trade styles. There is a conditional relationship between accuracy and speed of execution and order size.

    3) Can the mentally challenged be mentally challenged in challenging way? I guess not.

    See you on the other side of my futures trades. :D

    ByeBye
     
    #42     May 13, 2007
  3. volente_00

    volente_00

    "Amateurs focus on what they could make, pro's focus on what they could lose"
     
    #43     May 13, 2007
  4. BJL

    BJL

    It seems you have a lot of one liners and little substance.

    1) I take it as a no then. Any links to this proof? While the average pro trader makes a profit, the average amateur loses - that much is proven.

    2) Longer term trades really aren't affected by 1-2 ticks in execution. I could trade several billion with my fixed income programme without any noticable effect.

    Since I don't trade intraday equity futures ít's unlikely you'll see me on the other side of your trades. Which I guess is good for you as you'd have been wiped out multiple times if your PnL is the reverse of mine.

    Good luck gambling. Be sure to say hi to the black swan.
     
    #44     May 13, 2007


  5. LOL !! OK the truth finally comes out. This is pretty much exactly what we figured.
    Another human being telling others whats possible or impossible about an endeavour he does not even participate in.
    Gotta luv the typical ETer !!! :p
     
    #45     May 13, 2007
  6. promagma

    promagma

    Count your profit by week, or by month. If your risk management is good, most of your money will be made in a few days out of the month when you can catch a good trend. Of course $17.50 a day (4 Dow points including commission) is realistic. But being new to futures .... try not to lose money and get over your jitters the first month, and then set your goal going forward.

    And lol @ BJL ... plenty of traders have been successful long-term without needing 300k to get started
     
    #46     May 14, 2007


  7. Nice, one of the few Posts here that seems to hit it on the nose.

    Look, I have a well written out plan for trading futures that I have developed in the last 4months. I know the object is to NOT lose money when first Live Trading.

    Basically, I am going to concentrate on my specific setups and my risk mgt. policies that I have developed and just take it from there.

    I can afford to lose this 3.5k and expect there is a possibility this will happen. I will chalk it up as tuition.

    But honestly, I really DONT think I will blow my account.
    I have cautious confidence and I will NOT go into Live trading already expecting to go broke.

    IT WONT HAPPEN !! PERIOD.....And you fools who say it will or hoping it will I say lets put a wager on it.
    I will take your arse to the bank !!!
    Thats a F-ing promise !!! :eek:
     
    #47     May 14, 2007
  8. dtan1e

    dtan1e

    can someone tell me whether the author manage to make the 17.50 meals plus bus fare daily??:D :D
     
    #48     May 14, 2007
  9. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Oh, boy, everybody gets this wrong:

    The full value of the YM contract is irrelevant.

    The relevant part is the difference between the starting account (3.5K) and the intraday margin requirement (can be as low as $500).

    That determines how long the trader can play....

    It is not obvious though what should be counted as 100%. One can say the 3.5K other can argue for the $500....
     
    #49     May 14, 2007
  10. BJL

    BJL

    Nice one. Your margin of safety (3500 - 500 = 3000) doesn't relate at all to the full value of the YM contract? So losing 3000 isn't easier on a 65000 contract than on a 5000 contract?
     
    #50     May 14, 2007