OK , yeah your right. I also started a thread last month about whether it was possible to earn $50 to $60 a day on YM with 4k. Why might you ask am I starting a whole new thread that is soo similiar to that one ?? Well, starting on Tuesday I start trading with the Live 4k !!(actually, its $3500 now ) I have been Simulator for nearly 3 months now. And have become fairly confident and successful in the last 4 weeks. But honestly I am a little jittery to be trading live money coming up this week. And I need to open up a little to you other Traders to keep my focus and morale up a little bit. I have conceded that starting out at about .5% a day return would be more realistic to my goals. That comes out to about $17.50 a day on the YM with 3.5k account . Thats one contract and one contract only until I get an account over 10k. I just want to get a little more input .....Is this realistic ??? And you guys who said 1 % is not possible or against the odds, what about this figure ?? I know in Simulation I can do it. But isnt it a little different in real trading as far as Platform speed, fills, slippage etc.... ?? In 3 months, I plan to put in another 5k as I want to see how I can trade with a smaller stake now. Iam sorry for being such a pain in the arse in posting this again. Its more thearapeutic to me than anything !! Thanks for the input and any valuable insights you guys have. And thankyou for tolerating another Thread like this again. That includes the owners of Elite Trader.