Is it just me? Trade entry remorse

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Jdesey, Aug 10, 2017.

  1. Jdesey

    Jdesey


    those are very good points. I finally bailed on ES cause it just wasn't working for me.

    All along I have said that I want to know one asset inside out just as you mention.

    These are very tough decisions and I am still learning.

    more to think about.

    but for sure, I am very unhappy with my performance today. That is a good thing
     
    #21     Aug 10, 2017
  2. Gotcha

    Gotcha

    I hope that its not just because you lost money. Since you lost it in CL and not NQ, it sounds like maybe your trades just didn't work. It sucks to go through the PnL rollercoaster ride, but perhaps you shouldn't be hard on yourself if you did do what you intended to do.
     
    #22     Aug 10, 2017
  3. comagnum

    comagnum

    Trade remorse - classic causes:

    Trading way to big.
    Not planning your trades well in advance.
    Not having a trading plan defining your setups,trade frequency, & risk/trade mgmt.

    Great comment from one of the best:

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    #23     Aug 10, 2017
  4. Jdesey if you play with some simulators or just do some math you will see you basically have 100 pct chance of losing all your money. Of course I don't know if you have more you plan to add. Not trying to insult you, really trying to help. Your swings are way too large in relation to your account size so it is normal to have unpleasant motions.
     
    #24     Aug 10, 2017
  5. Overnight

    Overnight

    The only problem with your range analysis is that you have a new wildcard in the mix now, helping to drive markets...#45 and the North Korea "problem".

    Another issue I have with your range analysis is the numbers you are plotting...

    Take the 2017 range you listed...I currently see that range at ~1,150 points, not 44 points.

    Am I misinterpreting your numbers?
     
    #25     Aug 10, 2017
  6. Jdesey

    Jdesey

    that is daily range I am posting... does that clarify

    so it is daily range for 2017, daily for 5 years... etc....

    1,150 daily range ???? nope
     
    #26     Aug 10, 2017
  7. Gotcha

    Gotcha

    I do actually think he may have something good if he just stuck with the NQ or ES. Adding CL is a big distraction, and it moves so much differently that it can really cause you to not be in the zone. It all comes down to his trade stats.

    The fact that he lost it all today in CL still perhaps doesn't negate his NQ stats which should be much better. But I often see that guys only do well on days where it moves not too quickly, but has a nice range, with obvious pullbacks and a nice stair stepping trend. The minute that it changes to a range, these guys get stopped out all the time, and when the volatility is too high, they also get stopped out from just a hiccup.

    The fact is that days like today and yesterday have been rare for the past few weeks, so a strategy needs to work in most market conditions and this is the tricky part. You need a big enough stop for it not to be hit often, but then on many days it might not move enough to hit your target. Days like today offer very nice opportunity to collect lots of points, but depending on how a person enters, the whipsawing may not keep them in trades for long.
     
    #27     Aug 10, 2017
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  8. Jdesey

    Jdesey

    yes for sure... I cannot be too distracted and succeed...

    My original idea was that if I watched both CL and NQorES that since it is the energy sector vs. stocks... that if there was nothing happening for CL then maybe I would have trades on a stock index... or vice versa...

    hmmm lots to think over
     
    #28     Aug 10, 2017
  9. Overnight

    Overnight

    Ahh, so you posted the average daily range over those time periods. Sorry, you weren't clear about that in the post I replied to.
     
    #29     Aug 10, 2017
  10. Gotcha

    Gotcha

    Its not a bad idea, and honestly, it took me too long to figure this out, but many traders are watching a few markets for exactly this. They want to see correlation, and when they see it, the trades work even better. You can even add in the VIX, cause a very good trader I know watches this as well.

    But they aren't looking for trades in all the markets, they just want to see them moving in the same direction to give them more confidence in the trade. It also sucks that sometimes, these divergences break down. Oil, gold, stock indexes, these used to have good correlations, but when they break down, you're left scratching your head.

    I personally don't watch that many cause now you might be paralyzed by too much analysis, but what I do watch makes the picture much clearer than just watching the one I'm trading.
     
    #30     Aug 10, 2017