Is IB in deep poo too?

Discussion in 'Interactive Brokers' started by themickey, Aug 17, 2012.

  1. 1245

    1245

    Really? So the brokerage industry should become socialistic? Or, would you prefer that the earnings that were generated from PFOF, interest, dark pools and other profit centers were taken away you and everyone else can pay higher transaction cost?

    We are all in this to make money. If the client and the broker can't make money, there is no business model. You get the ultimate vote with your assets. Pick a firm that does business the way you would like them to. If you can't find that, which you won't, find another business to be in.
     
    #11     Aug 18, 2012
  2. Occam

    Occam

    I would rather that explicit brokerage fees were higher in exchange for the elination of PFOF and other kickback schemes, because if it were so, then overall costs would be much lower. Retail customers are ripped off on every trade and the vast majority don't even know it -- in fact, you can't know by exactly how much.

    I don't see good financial regulation as "socialistic". We have laws for a reason, and finance is one of the areas where enforcement is the most necessary. Just ask Madoff's clients. Yet I'll be the first to admit that there's a limit to this, and which policies are advantageous is debatable (e.g., transaction taxes would just be a nightmare, and a boon to the big banks).

    Indeed I have found brokerages that do pass through all rebates and don't play the PFOF wholesaler/internalization games. However, none of them are retail (and I don't know much about prop).

    It's tough for a B/D to be transparent about this, yet compete with B/D's who are taking their customers for maybe .008 cents/share on every order, hence the need for good regulation. And good regulation would start with a ban on wholesaler PFOF and B/D internalization, or at the least force B/D's to credit the customers with any proceeds derived thereof.
     
    #12     Aug 18, 2012
  3. 1245

    1245

    Your broker might not get PFOF for transactions but the routes they use do. If you use a smart route or a manged route your order will filter through a dark pool, then MAYBE to an exchange or ECN. If you get full DMA access for options, many exchanges pay for order flow. You can't escape it.
     
    #13     Aug 18, 2012
  4. Occam

    Occam

    Escape what? I'm suggesting that any PFOF rebates be required to be passed on to the customers, as indeed many institutional brokers do.

    I doubt there's anything smart about "smart routes", at least among the ones offered to retail. They generally act in the broker's best interest, not yours.

    http://www.nanex.net/aqck2/3517.html
     
    #14     Aug 18, 2012
  5. Catoosa

    Catoosa

    Ben Bernanke's policies may be helping some sectors but it is at the expense of other sectors which he is killing. The small to mid size financial firms and brokers are within what he is killing.
     
    #15     Aug 18, 2012
  6. To equate a falling stock price with a high risk of insolvency is absurd. I'm not suggesting that the share price does not collapse in an insolvent company but share prices retreat for lots of reasons most of which do not involve a firm going under. This is a difficult environment for firms to make money in so they are all a bit weaker. But it is the firm that goes into this type of dead period weak that is more likely to fold than a strong one.
     
    #16     Aug 18, 2012
  7. when I was a kid, most banks and insurance companies traded OTC, because they didn't want customers confusing their stock price with financial stability.
     
    #17     Aug 18, 2012
  8. Insider buying means anything?

    2012-07-24 Gates Richard J. Purchase 5,000 shares at 13.48 value 67,400
     
    #18     Aug 19, 2012
  9. #19     Aug 19, 2012
  10. Options12

    Options12 Guest

    They've said that their restatement of prior financials may extend to earnings per share calculations.

    The Company is in the process of completing an analysis of the restatement issues and believes that for certain prior periods reported earnings per share will be impacted.

    http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1381197/000138119712000048/ibkr_nonreliance.htm

    While this accounting error does not affect the financial stability of the group including the brokerage, IBKR shareholders who bought prior to June 2012 may want to follow this issue closely.
     
    #20     Aug 19, 2012