Is God mute?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by nitro, Jul 2, 2015.

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    Orphaned sisters reunite while working on same floor at Sarasota hospital

    http://extra.heraldtribune.com/2015...e-working-on-same-floor-at-sarasota-hospital/

    Astonishing personal and professional parallels between long-separated twins have been well documented amid lively debates on the power of nature over nurture. The connections between reunited non-twin siblings have been less scrutinized, but they are not unprecedented.

    Consider the recent chance meeting of Lizzie Valverde, 35, and Katy Olson, 34. Valverde was adopted by a family in New Jersey; Olson was raised in Iowa and Florida. In 2013, they discovered each other in a creative writing class at Columbia University.

    Born less than a year apart, teenagers Jordan Dickerson and Robin Jeter met for the first time since they were adopted to separate families 17 years prior. They almost literally ran across each other at a track meet in 2013 where they were competing for rival high schools in Washington, D.C.

    In 2014, Emily Nappi and Mikayla Stern-Ellis traveled separately from their homes in California to New Orleans to pursue college studies at Tulane University. As freshmen, they wound up in the same dormitory; they even purchased the same fleece jacket at a Tulane Black Friday sale before they met. They discovered they were connected before conception — their biological father was a sperm donor from Colombia.

    Social and behavioral scientist Nancy Segal, director of the Twin Studies Center at California State-Fullerton, has been addressing the phenomenon for decades in books and academic papers. Once soft-pedaled for its implications on “biological determinism,” the infant science of behavioral genetics has since entered the mainstream and is lately beckoning molecular biologists to explore the links between genes and human social behaviors.

    “I do think that genetically based similarities,” states Segal — herself a twin — in an email to the Herald-Tribune, “are the social glue that draws and maintains these relationships.”

    But on a planet of 7 billion people, how to account for the mystery of cascading events that set up an unlikely reunion of orphans, born half a world away, more than four decades ago, choosing the same profession, choosing the same hospital?

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    #431     Oct 12, 2015
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  3. Q https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan

    Sagan wrote frequently about religion and the relationship between religion and science, expressing his skepticism about the conventional conceptualization of God as a sapient being. For example:

    Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Others—for example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einstein—considered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws.[64]

    In another description of his view on the concept of God, Sagan emphatically writes:

    The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying ... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity.[65]

    On atheism, Sagan commented in 1981:

    An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed.[66]

    Sagan also commented on Christianity, stating "My long-time view about Christianity is that it represents an amalgam of two seemingly immiscible parts, the religion of Jesus and the religion of Paul. Thomas Jefferson attempted to excise the Pauline parts of the New Testament. There wasn't much left when he was done, but it was an inspiring document."[67]

    Regarding the relationship between spirituality and science, Sagan stated: "Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual."[68]

    An environmental appeal, "Preserving and Cherishing the Earth", signed by Sagan with other noted scientists in January 1990, stated that "The historical record makes clear that religious teaching, example, and leadership are powerfully able to influence personal conduct and commitment... Thus, there is a vital role for religion and science."[69]

    In reply to a question in 1996 about his religious beliefs, Sagan answered, "I'm agnostic."[70] Sagan maintained that the idea of a creator God of the Universe was difficult to prove or disprove and that the only conceivable scientific discovery that could challenge it would be an infinitely old universe.[71] Sagan's views on religion have been interpreted as a form of pantheism comparable to Einstein's belief in Spinoza's God.[72] His son, Dorion Sagan said, "My father believed in the God of Spinoza and Einstein, God not behind nature but as nature, equivalent to it."[73] His last wife, Ann Druyan, stated:

    When my husband died, because he was so famous and known for not being a believer, many people would come up to me—it still sometimes happens—and ask me if Carl changed at the end and converted to a belief in an afterlife. They also frequently ask me if I think I will see him again. Carl faced his death with unflagging courage and never sought refuge in illusions. The tragedy was that we knew we would never see each other again. I don't ever expect to be reunited with Carl.[74]

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    #434     Oct 17, 2015


  4. most stars are in binary systems, ours isn't; thats so counter-intuitive isn't it
     
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  5. nitro

    nitro

    #436     Nov 4, 2015
  6. nitro

    nitro

    Look at the guy in front of him. He looks like he is trying to hold back either a fart or vomit.

     
    #437     Nov 5, 2015
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  7. Ben Carson: Humans walked on the moon because America was founded on God

    Carson is an enigma. Did he rise to the pinnacle of neurosciences on theocratic doctrine, or scientific fact?

    He's an obvious idiot. The message I take away from this is...your doctor may be an idiot, incapable of rational thought regardless of the after his name alphabet soup:eek:
     
    #438     Nov 5, 2015
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