Is God mute?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by nitro, Jul 2, 2015.

  1. I always enjoy intellectual conversations. And I would like to find out if any useful values in religions or faiths.

    I think religions are just like cultures, that will exist forever. However, cause some problems including serious conflicts, as well.

    When a person is alone while in danger/desperate/loss of the most loved ones unexpectedly, perhaps her/his faith/hope could help for the pain/consolation/sadness/suffering that no science could resolve.

    The kind of self giving/sacrificing love to others especially needy ones.

    Cleansing of past wrongdoings.

    Forgiving others wrongdoings.

    Collectively fighting for justice against evil acts.

    Etc.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, some useful values are always there!
     
    #301     Sep 24, 2015
  2. The Boundaries of Knowledge in Buddhism, Christianity and Science

    Chapters
    John R. Albright, Limits of Scientific Knowledge.
    Tom Christenson, The Oddest Word: Paradoxes of Theological Discourse.
    Antje Jackelén, “Knowing Too Much Is Knowing Too Little”: A Theological Appraisal of the Boundaries of Knowledge.
    Gordon D. Kaufman, Mystery and God: Living Within the Boundaries of Human Knowledge.
    David L. McMahan, Buddhism and the Epistemic Discourses of Modernity1.
    Paul D. Numrich, Reality and Knowledge.
    Trinh Xuan Thuan, Science and Buddhism: Two Complementary Modes of Knowledge.
    Mark T. Unno, Buddhism, Christianity, and Physics: An Epistemological Turn.

    http://www.ahandfulofleaves.org/doc...uddhism, Christianity and Science_Numrich.pdf



    "
    This volume brings together insights from religion (represented by Buddhism and Christianity) and science to address the question, What can we know about reality? Here science and religion engage each other in the human endeavour to understand a reality tantalizingly beyond our ability to understand fully.
    "

    http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/bcs/summary/v031/31.cobb.html
     
    #302     Sep 24, 2015
  3. jem

    jem

    You completely misconstrue what I wrote with your out of context reply.
    Then you double down with this pablum.

    nice waste of your life.


     
    #303     Sep 24, 2015
  4. jem

    jem

    this is what I wrote. the point is not that science has stopped searching... its that it can not see all the way back.

    why do you troll so much?

     
    #304     Sep 24, 2015
  5. stu

    stu

    For goodness sake, that is my point.
    Science does not stop searching whereas religious belief always had its conclusion.

    If you weren't so angry and abusive all the time, you might start reading properly and understand what is being said a lot sooner.
     
    #305     Sep 25, 2015
  6. stu

    stu

    Thing is, when not being cajoled, promised or threatened by religion or faiths, those things are made so much more honest.
     
    #306     Sep 25, 2015
  7. There are many things I don't quite understand:

    1. Is there any thing/knowledge on earth that does not require any update, revision or improvement? Whether the Bible's traditions/narrations? Or the traditional concept of God/creation/etc.?

    2. Perhaps: Providing positive hopes about future status (such as: Your illness/anxiety will be recovered soon. Our God/Nature bless you so gracefully! ) to oneself/others can be quite normal!

    3. Perhaps: Superstitions/miracles, just like Zen stories, can be explained as parables, parables and parables, in order to illustrate some meaningful ethics indirectly!

    4. Can we define some subjective constructs/concepts like beautiful, love, grace or intelligence?

    Q https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construct_(philosophy)

    Concepts that are considered constructs by this definition include that which is designated by the symbol "3" or the word "liberty". Scientific hypotheses and theories (e.g. evolutionary theory, gravitational theory), as well as classifications (e.g. in biological taxonomy) are also conceptual entities considered to be constructs.

    ...

    In Biology
    Genes, evolution, illness, taxonomy, immunity

    In Physics/Astrophysics
    Black holes, the Big Bang, Dark Matter, String Theory, molecular physics or atoms, gravity, center of mass

    In Psychology
    Intelligence or knowledge, emotions, personality, moods

    Theories and Hypotheses

    UQ

    5. Perhaps: Some words like haven, hell could be merely parables for certain important philosophical concepts/constructs, including God. Who knows?

    " http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnlennon/imagine.html

    JOHN LENNON LYRICS
    "Imagine"

    Imagine there's no heaven
    It's easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today...

    Imagine there's no countries
    It isn't hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace...

    You may say I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world...

    You may say I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will live as one


    "
    Q https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine_(John_Lennon_song)

    Jimmy Carter said, "in many countries around the world—my wife and I have visited about 125 countries—you hear John Lennon's song 'Imagine' used almost equally with national anthems."[44][nb 3] On 9 October 2010, which would have been Lennon's 70th birthday, the Liverpool Signing Choir performed "Imagine" along with other Lennon songs at the unveiling of the John Lennon Peace Monument in Chavasse Park, Liverpool England.[46][47]
    UQ
     
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2015
    #307     Sep 25, 2015
  8. stu

    stu

    I don't see the point in erecting screens, especially opaque ones, like religion or faith, to look at beautiful, love, grace, intelligence, good, bad, or whatever.

    I'm suggesting it is far more honest or true if you like, to consider those things themselves directly, in their own right, for their own sake.
     
    #308     Sep 25, 2015
  9. Q https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-truth

    Philosopher Alfred North Whitehead was quoted as saying: "There are no whole truths; all truths are half-truths. It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil".[5] If this is true, statements, or truths, which according to Whitehead are all half-truths, are susceptible to creating deceptive and false conclusions.

    ...

    Arthur Koestler "Two half-truths do not make a truth, and two half-cultures do not make a culture."[8]
    UQ
     
    #309     Sep 25, 2015
  10. jem

    jem

    you were the troll who pretended I stated something I did not. For goodness sake stop being a evangelical atheist and a troll. its either or.

     
    #310     Sep 25, 2015