Is Capital Punishment ever justified?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by hapaboy, Mar 12, 2003.

Is Capital Punishment Ever Justified?

  1. Yes

    39 vote(s)
    354.5%
  2. No

    21 vote(s)
    190.9%
  1. What is your scientific evidence that some human beings are "just plain evil?"

    We have evolved to the point to understand brain chemistry, and how it impacts decision making, emotional stability, etc. We now understand the early childhood trauma can shape behavior later on in life.

    Were I to inject you with the proper chemicals to have an effect on your brain, then use psychological methods to manipulate your mind, i.e. brainwashing, it is likely that I could turn you into one who would murder.

    Would this make you "just plain evil?"

    No, it would mean that I was able to alter your brain chemistry as to produce a state where I could manipulate your behavior.

    In my opinion, those who stay rooted in history, which is lacking the understanding of human psychology and brain chemistry, are themselves evil.

    We have seen the ability through medication, proper therapy and the application of recovery methods, for those who previously had extreme problems with anger and violence, who were deemed evil, be rehabilitated to live lives of productivity and peace.

    How can you simply dismiss the progress we have made, and continue to make, and just come to a simplistic conclusion that some people are "just plain evil?"

    Sounds to me like a religious fundamentalist type of thinking, the same kind of unscientific thought of those who flew planes into the WTC with the thought that America is evil.
     
    #191     Apr 28, 2003
  2. none of this pseudo-intellectual crap means squat (you think you're W. F. Buckley ?? HA!) :-/

    don't you get it??!!

    it's all about the bling-bling and chrome out wheels.

    EOM! :-/
     
    #192     Apr 29, 2003
  3. Dude, you clearly need to get laid.
     
    #193     Apr 29, 2003
  4. always :-/


    candle ...

    can you fix me up dude ?? :-/

     
    #194     Apr 29, 2003
  5. ROFL! Optional, there you go again! Yeah, you got me, I'm really one of OBL's boys! Terrific logic sequence there.

    Where is your scientific evidence that some human beings are NOT just plain evil? History has proven me right; the onus is on you to prove otherwise. My proof is in the yearly slaughter of our fellow citizens despite decades of your type of "research" going on.

    Yes, progress has been made in many fields. I applaud that. Really. But you propose to allow the continued slaughter of thousands until that elusive scientific cause for murder that you insist is out there is found.

    If you don't like the word "evil," how's this:

    Some people just don't give a damn about anyone else. Another human being's life has no value to them. Does it mean they're necessarily evil? Debatable. Are they scientifically or genetically different from anybody else? Should we give scientists the time and resources to find the "I-don't-give-a-damn-about-anyone-else" gene? Does it even exist?

    Is science your cure for all that ails the world?

    Since you think I'm one of OBL's boys, you must be the second coming of the Unabomber.
     
    #195     Apr 29, 2003
  6. Go on hap, go research the number of convicted murderers who were released on evidentiary grounds. You have had time to look that phrase up, so now you understand. You have precious little demands on your time elsewhere as your obsession to this thread reveals.

    Some of those murders in these case were just absolutely gruesome too. Just like those you previously described to detail the evil nature of the killers. Except the wrong guy was held accountable, the one you did not want to share a breath with.

    One of your arguments demands 100% certainty that a convicted murderer be forever sequestered from society and that the death penalty satisfies this demand. There are errors in the criminal justice system that have sent innocent men to jail, to death row, and who were released. Where do they figure in your 100% solution? Do you really think that those released after their convictions were overturned were the only ones put on death row by mistake or fraud? Not one unjustly convicted murder was ever executed in the US?

    You would have made a good Klansman in Mississippi 50 years ago.

    I see the earlier posts on your reptilian cranial capacity have inspired you to gain some knowledge in CNS terminology. Kudos to you. Keep it up.

    Now, here's a couple of more terms for you to look up. If I am operating on one neuron, then your intellect is powered by two serotonin molecules and one rogue prion.
     
    #196     Apr 29, 2003
  7. You can stray from the proper methods of debate, by the use of strawman arguments, ad hominess attacks, exaggeration, changing the point etc., but the fact remains that you refused to address many of the points, valid points, of my last post.

    The more evolved person, can discern the difference between an evil act, and evil itself.

    Killing is not evil, as killing in self defense is not considered evil.

    It is in the intent that evil is characterized and judged. It is the mind that kills, as the body is a slave to the mind. So, it is essentially the thinking, which rules the mind that leads to action, deemed either good or evil action.

    You have claimed that some people are evil, yet provide no explanation for that belief. When I ask for proof, you retort like a child "prove it doesn't."

    The responsibility is not on my side to prove that people aren't evil. People can act with evil intent, but people can also, and have also reformed from their evil intents of the past.

    St. Paul is a famous individual who was able to reform, able to change, able to see things differently.

    There are many who try to explain his conversion process, from both spiritual and scientific perspectives, but the fact which remains is that he did in fact change his point of view.

    The human mind is capable of change.

    The mind is still mysterious to most of us. No doubt, we are just in the primitive stages of understanding brain chemistry and human psychology, and those "demons" that cause man to act in an evil manner.

    My point is, that if it not necessary to kill to protect others, if redemption is possible, from both a scientific and religious perspective (I am speaking New Testament here, as Jesus taught forgiveness and redemption), they why on earth would a peace loving, evolved, religious, compassionate, and scientific person not give science or religion an opportunity to reform a soul?

    You would kill that person who committed acts of evil, without even having an explanation as to the cause of the evil actions.

    You would deny a soul their chance for redemption, rehabilitation, by unnecessary termination of their life for the sake of vengeance, which isn't your God granted right to act upon.

    Should we give scientists and theologians every possible chance to discover and heal the minds of men who are compelled to take the life of another man?

    Yes, by all means.
     
    #197     Apr 29, 2003
  8. HEY!

    You and all the othe einstein wannabes..


    turn your thesis into..

    me..

    i'll see that W. F. Buckley gets it.......

    and forwards it all to ..


    BUSH.


    (you fukin idiots) :-/
     
    #198     Apr 29, 2003
  9. (YAWN)

    Big loser dGAB can't own up that he's wrong, or that he continues to make a complete jackass of himself on this thread.

    If ignorance were a disability, you'd get the full pension.

    You're not going to threaten to ban me again, are you? :D
     
    #199     Apr 29, 2003
  10. Babak

    Babak

    Guys, try to keep it civil. Both of you.
     
    #200     Apr 29, 2003