re: referendum usage https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...ds-them-why-and-are-they-always-a-dogs-brexit
Off topic, but do you know why George Soros is flip flopping on the EU? He was initially against it but now he's doing everything he can to keep Brexit from happening
mr rgld, soros is flip floppin? where can i go read up on this? That george, he's a handfull. a link or two would be great, Thx cheers memeworld.com/meme/real-stable-genius-presents-cuck-lite/
Against the Euro (actually the way it was implemented), not against the European Union. Important but perhaps too subtle a distinction for you? As you may or may not know, the UK is part of the European Union and not part of the Euro common currency, therefore it's current situation would be consistent with what has always been Soro's ideal of how the EU should work and it would be, as you call it, a "flip flop" for him to do anything but be against Brexit!
Hmmmmm.... Doesn't seem like the occasional use of a referendum to decide an unimportant issue (an issue with no right answer) is quite the same thing as Athenian Democracy as such.......
'Referendums transformed Ireland from a quasi-Catholic theocracy into a liberal beacon. The most notable example was a vote to repeal a ban on abortion in 2018. Turnout was 64%. Two-thirds of voters voted in favour." I guess abortion is an unimportant in your opinion. Brexit is unimportant etc. Your mindset is fixated on the idea that elected representative actually represent the ideas of the people or that societal issues are too complex for the average person to comprehend.
Why U.K. should leave E.U. 1. Free International trade: Leaving the EU, Britain will be able to independently access the international trade deals. You will have an opportunity to negotiate for new deals and a chance to move goods freely. 2. No membership cost: You no longer have to pay for EU membership fee which can hinder the free movement of goods to the international market. 3. No more EU trade regulations costs: Exit from EU will allow Britain to set its own regulations for the members. E.g. rules on value-added tax. 4. Reduced red tapes: Reduced policies have enabled firms to increase their productivity potential and reduce cost spend on adhering to bureaucratic policies. Consumers can also benefit from reduced cost. 5. Lower Costs: Lower supermarket costs reduced barriers to customs and tariffs and other trade costs will save the British household £933 per year. 6. Control immigration: The UK government will be able to control and regulate the immigration of individual in its member state. 7. Security: The new immigration laws will make it difficult for a terrorist to enter the UK and also make it easier for the UK to deport violent criminals which were a difficult task with EU courts. 8. Independent: Britain will have a chance to influence world decisions as an independent nation. 9. Better Employment: Increased wages and job creation. Exit from EU will lead to fewer regulations in the workplace environment. This encourages talent pools from neighboring countries. 10. Opportunity for Companies: Britain companies will no longer have the mandate to follow the strict laws set by the EU.
On the contrary. On such important issues it is disgusting when elected and salaried so-called leaders of society renage on their moral obligation to the people to actually take policy decisions. And sometimes these will be tough and unpopular with many electors. But that's why politicians like referendums - no politician ever lost their constituency on a referendum result. As for the judgement of the people, I only have so much confidence. I am happy they can be trusted to elect better educated and more widely thinking persons to represent them. But history is littered with horrifying examples of democratic rule taken to the extreme. Simply because the majority of the people want something, that does not make it either morally right nor the best policy for the state.