Is Bible inerrant

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by yip1997, Dec 7, 2007.

  1. This is probably the best & most complete statement of what the scripture says about itself (from the Westminster Confession - the numbers are scripture references - viewable here: http://www.reformed.org/documents/wcf_with_proofs/)

    I. Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men unexcusable;[1] yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God, and of His will, which is necessary unto salvation.[2] Therefore it pleased the Lord, at sundry times, and in divers manners, to reveal Himself, and to declare that His will unto His Church;[3] and afterwards for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the Church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing;[4] which makes the Holy Scripture to be most necessary;[5] those former ways of God's revealing His will unto His people being now ceased.[6]

    II. Under the name of Holy Scripture, or the Word of God written, are now contained all the books of the Old and New Testament, which are these: Of the Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, I Samuel, II Samuel, I Kings, II Kings, I Chronicles, II Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, The Song of Songs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi. Of the New Testament: The Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, The Acts of the Apostles, Paul's Epistles to the Romans, Corinthians I, Corinthians II, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Thessalonians I , Thessalonians II , To Timothy I , To Timothy II, To Titus, To Philemon, The Epistle to the Hebrews, The Epistle of James, The first and second Epistles of Peter, The first, second, and third Epistles of John, The Epistle of Jude, The Revelation of John. All which are given by inspiration of God to be the rule of faith and life.[7]

    III. The books commonly called Apocrypha, not being of divine inspiration, are no part of the canon of the Scripture, and therefore are of no authority in the Church of God, nor to be any otherwise approved, or made use of, than other human writings.[8]

    IV. The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, and obeyed, depends not upon the testimony of any man, or Church; but wholly upon God (who is truth itself) the author thereof: and therefore it is to be received, because it is the Word of God.[9]

    V. We may be moved and induced by the testimony of the Church to an high and reverent esteem of the Holy Scripture.[10] And the heavenliness of the matter, the efficacy of the doctrine, the majesty of the style, the consent of all the parts, the scope of the whole (which is, to give all glory to God), the full discovery it makes of the only way of man's salvation, the many other incomparable excellencies, and the entire perfection thereof, are arguments whereby it does abundantly evidence itself to be the Word of God: yet notwithstanding, our full persuasion and assurance of the infallible truth and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work of the Holy Spirit bearing witness by and with the Word in our hearts.[11]

    VI. The whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for His own glory, man's salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men.[12] Nevertheless, we acknowledge the inward illumination of the Spirit of God to be necessary for the saving understanding of such things as are revealed in the Word:[13] and that there are some circumstances concerning the worship of God, and government of the Church, common to human actions and societies, which are to be ordered by the light of nature, and Christian prudence, according to the general rules of the Word, which are always to be observed.[14]

    VII. All things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all:[15] yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed, and observed for salvation are so clearly propounded, and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of the ordinary means, may attain unto a sufficient understanding of them.[16]

    VIII. The Old Testament in Hebrew (which was the native language of the people of God of old), and the New Testament in Greek (which, at the time of the writing of it, was most generally known to the nations), being immediately inspired by God, and, by His singular care and providence, kept pure in all ages, are therefore authentical;[17] so as, in all controversies of religion, the Church is finally to appeal unto them.[18] But, because these original tongues are not known to all the people of God, who have right unto, and interest in the Scriptures, and are commanded, in the fear of God, to read and search them,[19] therefore they are to be translated in to the vulgar language of every nation unto which they come,[20] that, the Word of God dwelling plentifully in all, they may worship Him in an acceptable manner;[21] and, through patience and comfort of the Scriptures, may have hope.[22]

    IX. The infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture is the Scripture itself: and therefore, when there is a question about the true and full sense of any Scripture (which is not manifold, but one), it must be searched and known by other places that speak more clearly.[23]

    X. The supreme judge by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Spirit speaking in the Scripture.[24]
     
    #31     Dec 7, 2007
  2. Personally, I have no problem with an inerrant scripture. The problem is both sides who ty to defend their views.
     
    #32     Dec 7, 2007
  3. You're kinda reinforcing what I said. It isn't bad to change your mind when you gain further knowledge. I'll tell you a couple of my personal opinions on God that relate to what you're saying.

    I have no problem when science cannot explain something, because I do believe in God. I don't subscribe to the notion that humans are able to understand everything.

    I also have no problem when science provides evidence of how something happened, as I believe that God acts according to the laws of nature. IOW, the laws of physics aren't annoyances to God, they are tools of God.

    For example, many say the Bible suggests that the earth is less than 10,000 years old. Science claims the earth to be... well... just a touch older than that. Something to the tune of 4.5 billion years.

    Which do I believe? Science, because I don't believe the Bible to be a historically complete record. Nor do I think that any of the ancient prophets were concerned with the age of the earth. Their purpose wasn't to explain the laws of the universe, but to guide people in spiritual matters.
     
    #33     Dec 7, 2007
  4. Turok

    Turok

    What is this? Comedy night on ET?

    JB
     
    #34     Dec 7, 2007
  5. Why, sure it is if you can convince yourself of a few things.
    1.a deity picked up a handful of dirt and made man.
    2. took a rib from a man and made a woman.
    3. talking snakes.
    4. people living 900 years.
    5. people building a wooden boat larger with hand tools
    than its possible to build today with latest tech.
    6 water once covered the highest mountains.
    7. people walked through a furnace and were not burned.
    8. a giant fish swallowed a man and spit him a few days later and he was unharmed.
    9. people wake up from the dead.
     
    #35     Dec 8, 2007
  6. Well if you can accept the Quran and the muslim account of biblical events. If oyu can accept Babylonian accounts of biblical events... You get the picture....

    My People call it faith. LOL.

     
    #36     Dec 8, 2007
  7. So your limitation as a mortal makes your view something which can be considered as ironclad?

    Meanwhile, modern cosmology and physics now believes that:
    1) We live in an 11-dimensional universe, because it fits the math. They have no concept what it looks like, and cannot prove it through direct observation, nor anything else.
    2) We probably live in a multiversem where there could be an infinite number of parallel universes, possibly where every conceived permutation of reality happens at once. Why? It bests fits the data. They have no concept what it looks like, and cannot prove it through direct observation, nor anything else.
    3) They postulate dark matter and dark energy to explain the universe. Why? It bests fits the data. They have no concept what it looks like, and cannot prove it through direct observation, nor anything else.
    4) They have no concept of why the universe exists, or what causes singularities such as the Big Bang.
    5) Many more

    The list of the limitations of science is endless. All we know is, that much of what we understand has a good chance of being altered as we progress.
     
    #37     Dec 8, 2007
  8. Well, that was convincing...
     
    #38     Dec 8, 2007
  9. So we just say"god did it" if we dont yet have the answer?
     
    #39     Dec 8, 2007
  10. SO how did man get on this planet???

    Evolution is still a theory, with enough holes in it.

    There is no evidence of any species "Jumping" across evolutionary bounds (without mans help - gene splicing, etc..)

    Even a simple plant like Corn is man made in it's current form. Which points even more so to things having to be altered by an "intelligent designer" for them to "evolve"
     
    #40     Dec 8, 2007