Also, would it be fair to say that 100, 200, 300 or 400 years ago, it was not exactly "an easy life" to be an atheist? How many atheists to religious people would you say there were back then; what do you think the ratio was? Looking forward to your further insights on history and randomness.
Dirty Harry didn't say "a man has got to inflict whole hosts of pointless self-imposed religious limitations on himself" . When the theist asks 'what came before God', there is no answer which wouldn't equally apply to 'what came before big bang'. When the atheist asks what came before God, the answer is big bang . But to tell you the truth, in all the sickeningly sanctimonious self-righteousness religious excitement , you can lose track yourself. If it's the wrong Sky Daddy you picked, God will blow your head clean off. So you've got to ask yourself one question; Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? Science, now there's a thing. A possibility for opening up the chamber to see "Did he fire six shots or only five?".
Any attempt of ours ?? You mean any attempt of yours. Who the hell are you to tell others their understanding is feeble, when the only understanding you say you have, is no understanding. Your arbitrary decision to tell others what they understand is what's feeble "bro".
You open-mindedness is most inspiring. And your position is "better than rational?" Breathtaking! However, just keeping it at the "rational" agnostic level for the moment, I suspect that there is a lot of fodder in that folder. After all, we cannot scientifically disprove the claims of scientologists, therefore, it is only "rational" that we keep an open mind about their cherished beliefs. Then there are the pagan beliefs that must be given their due because, after all, we cannot definitively disprove them with measures of science. And let us not forget Bertrand Russell's celestial teapot. Frankly, I don't know how "rational" agnostics get around with so much baggage. How fortunate for you (and portable!) that your beliefs are even "better than rational."
Feeble is the best word to describe it. Read this thread...and all the threads on religion for that matter...then read everything else you can get your hands on. You will get no where. Feeble. Bro.
The human genome is almost identical to that of chimps. Its off by 2% or something like that (an estimate as I'm too lazy to look up the exact figure). This is the fact that seriously riled TZ. He would never reply to this fact, but just go after me instead. If you believe in evolution and God, that's OK. Could have happened that way. But then if you use any logic, you have to believe that humans evolved from primates as the genome is so close. If you can't accept this, then you cannot accept evolution in general. It makes no sense.
Haha this is why this debate is so pointless. God doesn't have to "make sense". There is no logic. Maybe he doesn't exist. Maybe he created the world with the appearance of it being old. Maybe Dinosaurs we're never around. Maybe they were. The nature of "God" is such that it is beyond the realm of logic. There is nothing you can say with facts that will disprove a belief...because a belief doesn't care about facts. This is why I said "feeble". I believe someone mentioned that people lived side by side with dinosaurs. Maybe they did. Or maybe God simply created dinosaur bones. Faith will always lie in the areas logic cannot touch.
No, Just 'cause you get nowhere does not mean others must get nowhere. If you cannot understand that much, that's what's feeble and perhaps why you get nowhere. Mo.
Maybe you need to study the meaning of the word logic before you even consider the words faith God or makebelieve.