Been a LIE since day one. Anyone with half-a-brain recognized it right off. All Senate members who voted for it should be flogged, tarred and feathered, run out of town on a rail!
Just goes to show the power of the US Supreme court ... none, if you can't pass legislation through normal channels. JThen fund it through the bueracracy in default. This whole thing going to end badly. The US Constitution has been thrown out for some time and we are become a nation of socialists. The ideas are fine, the implementation is bad and the explotation of the public will be worse. There is no hope or future in the nation. DC is going to sink the ship and point finger at anybody who close enough to the issue. As an example of how things turned out after a grand idea was put forthlook at the roll out of the 401K plans. Ask yourself and imagine if the 401k concept was never actuated in todays world. How many trilllion dollars of wealth would have been preserved. I never trusted the leadership then and I do not trust it now. How many schemes is it going to take for DC to face reality. The wealth of the nation is evaporating as soon as it is made. Eventually DC will outsource itself out of bussiness and we will have corperations and China running the show in a overt manner. Still trying to get out of here, Akuma
I doubt that if the Supreme Court tosses out Obamacare that some bureaucracy can be made to implement it anyhow but it's possible. We do have the situation in California where the Governor tried to get the welfare bureaucrats to demand id's proving citizenship before people could get welfare and the bureaucrats told him they wouldn't do it. California is Cathlo-Fascistic, I'm not sure if you could do that with grownups from all over the country involved.
ok... i will take the bait. we got: lucrum, banjo, and scat. 3 people that oppose the bill and probably conservatives (and possibly religous). let me make some points. i hope you agree these points are true. u can answer them one at a time --- i numbered them. 1 - do u currently have health insurance? 2 - do you know that a single policy is $350 a mon. min and a family $600? 3 - do you know that a good health plan is $650 a mon for a single, and $1200 for a family? 4 - this is what you want to pay? 5 - that is between $5000 and $24000 a year. if you make $32k (gross) which is mean income, and you pay that much how can you live? 6 - why do you think the rich people, who employ people for min wage, $10 an hour, $20k a year, pay so little?? it gets the rich people richer, it keeps the poor people broke. and then in addition if they get sick they have no health coverage... who pays for that??? 7 - now lets get to the point of this thread. if a bill is passed. it needs to be implemented in 2014. do you start funding it? i will answer that. YES 8. - bigger question -- the 500 million. where does it go? guess what? the government spends it... yep thats right. so that businesses get more money. thus helping you. you know what they dont do? they dont earn money like APPLE and then HOARD it.... the governt spends money. it is a great thing. so $1 goes to joe shmoe, he buys a coffee, the coffee guy buys a TV, the tv guy buys an APPLE then APPLE hoard it... yeah . so much for expanding the money supply. its the greedy people who hold the money, that is the problem. not the government. 9. and my last point for now. --- are you 3 haters??? what does it matter that our president wants to help people? do you live good here? are there police protecting you and your mercedes? do u eat whole food? do you fuck prostitutes and pop bottles? yeah, so why do you care if u are taxed $1000 a year. it does not affect you.. (plus funny thing u are not being taxed). stop hating and let people get some help. i hope when your local municipality like NY, raises your parkeing meter from .25 ahalf hour to .50 for 10 minutes, u get so upset. that is some unfair shit!!!!! not health care.
============= 1]Yes, i also gave the gov part of my life, USArmy Reserves, so, no thanks on your plan. 2] Do you work fpr the gov; your math just doesnt add up at all for me. 3] You think federal gov spending is so great; fine -you & Warren Buffet send them plenty. Those of us whose states sued the federal gov, may differ.LOL [4]Are you 18 years old yet??; the local police do local law enforcement.LOL 5] Many of us prefer emergency aid thru Walmart[they got hurricane relief way before the feds did , along with the churches.] 6-7 Do you & CBS news mainly/only consider car care as tow truck/wrecker rates??LOL Some people change oil in thier autos>lol.... Some people who don' t even go to church, do some preventiive plans; smoking & drugs account for plenty of exspenses. Speaking of health care, people have to eat; what is next, federal gov requirement to eat veggies.LOL
If you raise your deductible to 10K with no co-pay the rates will almost drop in half. The cost in insurance comes from low deductibles and lots of small claims. Catastrophic insurance is relatively cheap.
murry -- i read your response. and clueless to what it means... but i will still reply. 1]Yes, i also gave the gov part of my life, USArmy Reserves, so, no thanks on your plan. --- so do u have health insurance? how much do you pay? 2] Do you work fpr the gov; your math just doesnt add up at all for me. --- i do not work for the govt. why does my math not add up? what does that have to do with paying $350 for an individual plan on the low end and up to $1200 for a family plan on the high end. what are you asking? 3] You think federal gov spending is so great; fine -you & Warren Buffet send them plenty. Those of us whose states sued the federal gov, may differ.LOL --- where does it say i think government spending is great? i do think it is better than private company hoarding. it and it is better than no spending. [4]Are you 18 years old yet??; the local police do local law enforcement.LOL ---- i am over 18, 41 to be exact. who funds local law enforcement? the government? federal, state, and city...i am pretty sure. so i dont get your point. 5] Many of us prefer emergency aid thru Walmart[they got hurricane relief way before the feds did , along with the churches.] ---- again dont get your point. u want corporations to help people when there are disasters??? is that what you are saying? ok. right. ill go to LILLY when i need high blood pressure meds. see if that works. 6-7 Do you & CBS news mainly/only consider car care as tow truck/wrecker rates??LOL Some people change oil in thier autos>lol.... Some people who don' t even go to church, do some preventiive plans; smoking & drugs account for plenty of expenses. --- have no clue what this means??? Speaking of health care, people have to eat; what is next, federal gov requirement to eat veggies.LOL ---- you and about 20 other conservatives have said this... that is because you are extrapolating. it is a HUGE flaw in logic. why because i punch you does it mean i will next kill you??? it does not. they have no connection. the government is trying to help people. this is why they want to give everyone insurance. not because they are forcing you to eat vegetables. there is no connection. i am home bored, that is why i have answered these two people, if someone has something intelligent to say i am down to discuss... but to talk to close minded (probably hicks) (probably religious) (with no education) gets boring, cause they just have arguments that have nothing to do with the point.... just pray, that will work
1 - do u currently have health insurance? Yes 2 - do you know that a single policy is $350 a mon. min and a family $600? No but I can believe it 3 - do you know that a good health plan is $650 a mon for a single, and $1200 for a family? No but I can believe it 4 - this is what you want to pay? If it keeps the feds out of it, yes. Government healthcare might reduce premiums but it will increase spending and eventually taxes. Universal healthcare is NOT free. 5 - that is between $5000 and $24000 a year. if you make $32k (gross) which is mean income, and you pay that much how can you live? Get a second job? 6 - why do you think the rich people, who employ people for min wage, $10 an hour, $20k a year, pay so little?? it gets the rich people richer, it keeps the poor people broke. and then in addition if they get sick they have no health coverage... who pays for that??? people like me mostly, the same people who will be paying for all the poor peoples free healthcare, administered by a behemoth bureaucracy. 7 - now lets get to the point of this thread. if a bill is passed. it needs to be implemented in 2014. do you start funding it? i will answer that. YES Assuming the Supreme court doesn't strike it down, yes. 8. - bigger question -- the 500 million. where does it go?... I thought it was going to the IRS 9. and my last point for now. --- are you 3 haters??? what does it matter that our president wants to help people? do you live good here? are there police protecting you and your mercedes? do u eat whole food? do you fuck prostitutes and pop bottles? yeah, so why do you care if u are taxed $1000 a year. it does not affect you.. (plus funny thing u are not being taxed). stop hating and let people get some help. I hate over bloated over reaching inefficient wasteful bureaucracies Obama doesn't want to help people he wants to get re-elected pretty good I protect myself mostly and I drive a Jeep Wrangler sometimes no, never even tried a pop bottle. The mouth looks way too small. Having an additional $1000 year confiscated by the feds doesn't affect me? I AM being taxed, to death. I think people should help themselves. I'm a big believer in self sufficiency and responsibility.