IRS Commissioner: Not Illegal To Target Groups

Discussion in 'Politics' started by pspr, May 17, 2013.

  1. pspr


    This is what people in the Obama Administration believe. We need Obama's resignation TODAY!

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  2. I suspect the federal courts will take a different view. Targeting a group because of their political opinion, which just happens to be in opposition to yours, is clearly a violation of their constitutional rights. Do it under color of law, ie through the IRS, and you have violated 18 U.S.C. sec 242.

    This is how the Department of Justice explains it:

    Section 242 of Title 18 makes it a crime for a person acting under color of any law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States.
    For the purpose of Section 242, acts under "color of law" include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within the their lawful authority, but also acts done beyond the bounds of that official's lawful authority, if the acts are done while the official is purporting to or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties. Persons acting under color of law within the meaning of this statute include police officers, prisons guards and other law enforcement officials, as well as judges, care providers in public health facilities, and others who are acting as public officials. It is not necessary that the crime be motivated by animus toward the race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin of the victim.

    The offense is punishable by a range of imprisonment up to a life term, or the death penalty, depending upon the circumstances of the crime, and the resulting injury, if any.
  3. Oh Shit! Jail time is a comin' for some unlucky feds. It will be a day of celebration when it comes.
  4. What IRS is doing is no different from what the Chinese tax authorities did to that artist guy Ai weiwei( they conveniently charged him with not paying his due taxes or some shit) when he voiced dissent to the Communist government over some policies.

    If anyone thinks this is okay in a free country, think again.

  5. Miller better get some good legal counsel to reduce his sentence. Those are jail bars glistening in his eyes. This came from the top down, no question. Next, get rid of the IRS and put in a new fair system.
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    naacp hypocritical simian shit slingers.
  7. pspr


    If only it would lead to this.
  8. Lucrum


    Too bad Obama Bin Lyin' won't be one of them. THAT would be something to celebrate.
  9. piezoe


    This is not a clear-cut issue, as presented in the brief video clip. The question asked of Miller in the video was "Do you believe it is illegal for employees of the IRS to create lists to target individuals and groups?" The question is open ended because it does not touch on the reason for targeting. Without knowing the reason the question of legality under current law can not be decided. Of course it would be possible to pass a law forbidding the IRS from targeting groups or individuals for any reason. As of now, however, no one has identified such a law. And, of course, such a law would make administering the tax code extremely inefficient, if not totally unworkable.

    Miller gave the correct answer to the question asked.
  10. pspr


    Obama and Geitner knew last June!!

    The Treasury Department’s inspector general told senior Treasury officials in June 2012 he was auditing the Internal Revenue Service’s screening of politically active organizations seeking tax exemptions, disclosing for the first time on Friday that Obama administration officials were aware of the matter during the presidential campaign year.

    At the first Congressional hearing into the I.R.S. scandal, J. Russell George, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration, told members of the House Ways and Means Committee that he informed the Treasury’s general counsel of his audit on June 4, and Deputy Treasury Secretary Neal Wolin “shortly thereafter.”

    It remained unclear how much the disclosure would affect the broader debate over the I.R.S.'s problems. Complaints from Tea Party groups that the I.R.S. was singling them out became public in 2012, through media accounts.

    Mr. George told Treasury officials about the allegation as part of a routine briefing about ongoing audits he would be conducting in the coming year, and he did not tell the officials of his conclusions that the targeting had been improper, he said.

    Still, the inspector general’s testimony will most likely fuel efforts by Congressional Republicans to show that Obama administration officials knew of efforts to single out conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status for additional scrutiny, but did not reveal that knowledge during President Obama’s re-election campaign.

    Representative Paul D. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin, who joined the Republican ticket as the vice-presidential candidate later in the year, said, “That raises a big question.”

    Representative Dave Camp of Michigan, the House Ways and Means chairman, said in opening the hearing, “This appears to be just the latest example of a culture of cover-ups — and political intimidation — in this administration. It seems like the truth is hidden from the American people just long enough to make it through an election.”

    The hearing quickly turned into partisan jousting, with House Republicans pressing to expand the inquiry to other tax misdeeds closer to the White House, while Democrats tried to keep the focus narrow and under the purview of an I.R.S. chief appointed by President George W. Bush.

    Steven T. Miller, the acting I.R.S. commissioner, who has resigned, called the agency’s actions “obnoxious,” but told the House Ways and Means Committee they were not motivated by partisanship. And in testy exchanges, he said he had not misled Congress, even though he did not divulge the targeting efforts of a Cincinnati unit examining 70,000 applications for tax exemption.

    He called the group’s centralization of applications from groups with names that included the words “Tea Party” or “patriots” simply “foolish mistakes” that “were made by people trying to be more efficient in their workload selection.”

    With two additional hearings already scheduled for next week, it is clear the focus of Congressional inquires will extend well beyond the selection of conservative groups for special scrutiny of their tax-exemption applications.

    Mr. Camp pressed Mr. Miller and Mr. George on the releasing of tax information on Koch Industries, the giant family business of the conservative benefactors Charles and David Koch, by a former White House economist, Austan Goolsbee. He also hit on the publication of donor lists for the National Organization for Marriage, which opposes same-sex unions, and the release of confidential applications for tax-exempt status to the investigative reporting outfit ProPublica.

    The incidents of releases of confidential tax information were referred to the inspector general for investigation, but were found to be inadvertent, the witnesses said.

    When Republicans asked Mr. Miller whether the targeting of conservative groups was divulged to Obama administration officials outside the I.R.S., Mr. Miller said “that would be a violation of law.”
    #10     May 17, 2013