Iron Condor on SPX

Discussion in 'Options' started by Sekiyo, May 30, 2025 at 4:49 PM.

  1. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    Thought about bracketing the 16th and 84th percentile of the last Nth daily closes. By definition it has ~2\3 winrate (on paper) and ~1/1 payoff (on paper).
     
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  2. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    I need to understand more in details why would 0DTE be for gamblers and why would 7DTE be considered more reasonable. I think it depends ... 0DTE should provide risks as well as opportunities.

    As per your image you're telling me that there is too much risks (gamma, vega) per unit of theta.
     
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  3. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    Found the greeks.
    Should be fine if it stays within the guts.
    I understood that IV should be low / decrease.
    Now if price is running through them I might cut the position.
     
    Last edited: May 31, 2025 at 5:18 AM
  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    he’s just being cheeky.

    there’s no reason 0dte is more dangerous that any other maturity.

    you have to have a view that an option is mispriced.
     
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  5. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    That's a good point.

    Bracketing all the closes with ICs isn't a winning strategy. IV should be higher than future realized volatility. More important than price actually closing within the guts ? I guess ...
     
  6. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

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    It’s all related. Future realized volatility is where the price will close.

    iv is where the market will think the price will close.

    and there are some opportunities between the two.

    I never traded 0dte for vol explicitly because I don’t have an intraday vol model. But others have built some and there are quite a few research papers on them.
     
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  7. Iron condors make sense when you have time to adjust your position.

    It is supposed to be a strategy that lets you modify/roll legs depending on how the market is going.

    For 0DTE there's not much room to act, so the reward is little compared to the risk.
     
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  8. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    I'll try different tenors targeting the daily / weekly close but currently I think more about it as a binary event (SL/TP) vs managing the position ...
     
    Last edited: May 31, 2025 at 7:05 AM
  9. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    Well ... I don't really have a volatility model.

    Guess I'll just pass on ICs if the IV or implied move is higher than the estimate based on historical realized volatility.

    If premiums jump in the meantime then I'll close the position at a predetermined loss (SL).

    The market is definitely smarter than me.
     
    Last edited: May 31, 2025 at 7:06 AM
  10. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    That's the value of the ±1% IC around last price over 1 week. Constant IV. Need to study this a little.

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    Assuming I buy on the open & sell on the close ...
    The 1DTE looks like the most interesting.
     
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