Iraq

Discussion in 'Politics' started by 377OHMS, Aug 13, 2014.

  1. convexx

    convexx


    The facts are, you insufferable cunt, that we would not be there... now. The administration you voted for put us in this untenable position bc he was "avenging daddy"

    Analogous to blaming Ford for Vietnam.

    Retire to cow-tipping in Crawford, TX and let someone else clean up the monumental mess.
     
    #11     Aug 13, 2014
  2. Ricter

    Ricter

    Look, I understand why you're angry, but like it or not, Bush (and the Cap'n) are on our team and we have to back 'em when they make mistakes. Bush has created a terrible legacy for himself and put another black mark on the US, he'll have to live with that, but we need to look forward. People are being tortured, maimed, and killed in Iraq today, and today is when they need help.
     
    #12     Aug 13, 2014
  3. Can you please look at a calendar and tell us what date you see? You see, my dimwitted friend, here in the present day we adults make decisions based upon what is actually happening. Now put your helmet on, climb on to that short yellow bus and head back to mommie. The adults are trying to have a conversation.
     
    #13     Aug 13, 2014
  4. convexx

    convexx


    Don't bother. The Cheney/Wolfowitz/Bush trio fed you a line of shit and you ate it up. All water under the bridge and we have to accept it? Cool story, Bro.

    Criminally-ignorant microcephalics like CO have the gall to blame the guy who's left with a civil war started by his predecessor?

    Bush should be serving life for treason.
     
    #14     Aug 13, 2014
  5. convexx

    convexx


    You couldn't wipe your ass without assistance. wtf are you kidding. Read your posts.
     
    #15     Aug 13, 2014
  6. Hey Tard, Ricter is on your side, and when even he sees the need for decisions made based on present day activity, you need to know just how far off the rails you are. BTW, it's August 13, 2014. Let me guess, you're still angry about Gore losing. LOL. Fuckin idiot!
     
    #16     Aug 13, 2014
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  7. convexx

    convexx

    It was a treasonous, criminal conspiracy to deceive the American public. No fucking way that Congress would've voted for the war with honest intel.
     
    #17     Aug 13, 2014
  8. Ricter

    Ricter

    I didn't vote for Bush and I opposed the Iraq invasion because I believed what the wmd inspectors were telling the world: there are no wmds in Iraq. So I knew it was a trumped up war (to in reality establish a forward base, which was useful, admittedly, but which motive you can't sell to the US public).

    I do agree with you re blaming Obama for this. It's easy to say, "we should have left troops there", but at the time most Americans wanted them out, and his generals agreed the timing was right.
     
    #18     Aug 13, 2014
  9. jem

    jem

    I was not going to argue with your points and bush and his buddies looted our country just as the dems and the cronies are now.... but...
    How could the intel have been wrong. When we knew that the US and the Brits had sold him WMDs and the media recently reported ISIS now has some of them.



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    With all eyes firmly focused on what really matters (the oil refineries), The Telegraph reports that ISIS has over-run a Saddam Hussein-era chemical weapons (CW) complex. The al-Muhanna 'mega-facility', about 60 miles south of Baghdad, gives the jihadists access to disused stores of hundreds of tonnes of potentially deadly poisons including mustard gas and sarin. The US state department is 'concerned' but "do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value." However, as a former commander of Britain's chemical weapons regiment warned, "we have seen that ISIS has used chemicals in explosions in Iraq before and has carried out experiments in Syria." This is likely great for ISIS 2014 Annual Report; but, of course, the other awkward question is: does this mean Saddam did have WMDs (and ISIS found them) after all?

    As The Telegraph reports, the jihadist group bringing terror to Iraq overran a Saddam Hussein chemical weapons complex on Thursday...



    Isis invaded the al-Muthanna mega-facility 60 miles north of Baghdad in a rapid takeover that the US government said was a matter of concern.



    The facility was notorious in the 1980s and 1990s as the locus of Saddam’s industrial scale efforts to develop a chemical weapons development programme.



    During its peak in the late 1980s to early 1990s, Iraq produced bunkers full of chemical munitions.



    A CIA report on the facility said that 150 tons of mustard were produced each year at the peak from 1983 and pilot-scale production of Sarin began in 1984.



    Its most recent description of al-Muthanna in 2007 paints a disturbing picture of chemicals strewn throughout the area.



    “Two wars, sanctions and UN oversight reduced Iraqi’s premier production facility to a stockpile of old damaged and contaminated chemical munitions (sealed in bunkers), a wasteland full of destroyed chemical munitions, razed structures, and unusable war-ravaged facilities,” it said.



    “Some of the bunkers contained large quantities of unfilled chemical munitions, conventional munitions, one-ton shipping containers, old disabled production equipment and other hazardous industrial chemicals.”



    Britain has previously acknowledgeded that the nature of the material contained in the two bunkers would make the destruction process difficult and technically challenging.

    Should we be worried?



    US officials revealed that the group had occupied the sprawling site which has two bunkers encased in a concrete seal. Much of the sarin is believed to be redundant.
    “We remain concerned about the seizure of any military site by the [Isis],” Jen Psaki, the State Department spokeswoman, said. “We do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value and it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to safely move the materials.

    ...

    Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former commander of Britain’s chemical weapons regiment, said that al-Muthanna has large stores of weaponized and bulk mustard gas and sarin, most of which has been put beyond ready use in concrete stores.

    It is doubtful that Isis have the expertise to use a fully functioning chemical munition but there are materials on site that could be used in an improvised explosive device,” he told the Telegraph.



    “We have seen that Isis has used chemicals in explosions in Iraq before and has carried out experiments in Syria.”

    One US official told the Wall Street Journal yesterday that Isis fighters could be contaminated by the chemicals at the site.



    “The only people who would likely be harmed by these chemical materials would be the people who tried to use or move them,” the military officer said.

    This asset growth is likely great for ISIS 2014 Annual Report...







     
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  10. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    And we are where we are today because nobody bothers to look at the past and see how we got where we are, so we keep making the same mistakes over and over and over again. Picking yet another tribe as the current favorite isn't going to improve matters.
     
    #20     Aug 13, 2014
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