Iraq isn't Bush's only mess

Discussion in 'Politics' started by BloodTrader, Feb 22, 2007.

  1. Everytime I hear how the tax cuts screw the poor, and He's giving the Walton's 32million, and cutting some program, remember this bit of wisdom, and remember the story:

    The government cannot spend one dollar, and get one dollar of goods or service. They spend your dollar, and receive less than a nickel.

    About 25 years ago, I owned some buildings, and I had the recruiting offices of all the military in some offices. I was talking to a Fed employee at Federal Plaza in New York, and he could tell I was relatively young. He said, " Son, when you are dealing with the Government, always double the price "FOR THE INCONVENIENCE OF DEALING WITH THE GOVERNMENT." I could expound, but if you're anything but an idiot, that should do it.

    To assume you have a problem that would cost a billion to fix, and if you could raise a billion in taxes and fix it is ludicrious. Now, pay a competant entrepeneur a billion, he'll fix it for half that, keep the change, and have limo liberals scream he ripped off the system.

    RAISING TAXES SOLVES NOTHING, BUT DESTROYS ALL INCENTIVE.
     
    #51     Feb 25, 2007
  2. Poor little rich kids, of all the injustices in the America tax code and ya'll are worring about rich kids not getting enough of daddy's money, let them earn it like their old man did. In a perfect world they'd get it all and there would be no taxes for any of us. The death tax doesn't hurt the one who earned the money one bit it only hurts the kids, who by the way didn't earn ANY of the money in the first place. The wealthy corporations and individuals get the benefit of the best tax minds in the world and pay a lower percentage in a lot of cases than the upper middle class working man. The wealthy have more options to legally not pay or defer taxes than the average man. Unless your living under a rock you also know there are legal ways to transfer money to kids before death, which the rich are already doing. Even small corporations have many legal tax advantages the salaried individual doesn't have.
    Unless your looking to inherit a huge sum it's stupid to be for repealing this tax.
    peace

    "RAISING TAXES SOLVES NOTHING, BUT DESTROYS ALL INCENTIVE"
    All incentive, really, absolutly all incentive? You mean you'll quit work if your taxes are raised? OR - You won't earn more money if it puts you in a higher tax bracket? OR- If you're getting close to becoming wealthy enough to where you kids will have to pay an inhertience tax you wont save any more money? Am I understanding you correctly?
    Because I know it doesnt' work like that for other people, just look at the super wealthy they're like the engerizer bunny they just keep getting wealthier and wealthier. But you'll never get there with that attitude.
     
    #52     Feb 25, 2007
  3. Why are so against a hard working family members creating generational wealth? Why do you insist that the government has ANY right to our hard earned dollars?

    You`re on the wrong site bro...The "goverment making business into social programs" site is two blocks on the left. :D

    Good trading to you?
    IDH
     
    #53     Feb 26, 2007
  4. I don't insist the government has any right to our hard earned dollars, but they are going to take our dollars anyway, regardless of what you or I want or believe.
    Your argument doesn't make since and doesn't counter my argument. FACT: the government is going to continue to spend and collect taxes. FACT: If you take away the death tax it means an increase in the national debt, which will be paid for by future tax receipts. FACT: Someone has to pay the taxes. You are wanting to pay more taxes so the rich kids can get more, I'm not. Again it is illogical to be for repealing this tax unless you are going to have to pay the inheirtance tax yourself, only then does your position make since. When you are for repealing the death tax you are for increasing the tax on others or increasing the national debt.
    Good trading to you too, mine is going good today so far.
     
    #54     Feb 26, 2007
  5. I am a fiscal conservative. In the USA we have more than enough where there shouldn't be a debt. If the gov was fiscally conservative also they wouldn't need to create multiple tax layers to rob from us. A flat income tax would be enough.

    Taxes are a form of conscription and homage to the gov ala the mafia. The more you make the more we take...but its ok because we allow you to earn in the first place. BS.

    We wont ever agree on this I can tell. But is fun exchanging blows with a gentlemen.

    Cheers!
     
    #55     Feb 26, 2007
  6. Indahook I agree with your statement above. I don't want to pay one dollar more in taxes, they're robbing me. And if the death tax is repealed I know who will make up the difference me and others like me. My view on this has nothing to do with liberal or conserative only self preservation.
     
    #56     Feb 26, 2007
  7. Sam321

    Sam321

    Encroaching employee protectionism (Socialism) in America simply forces American companies dependent on unskilled labor to either hire illegals, contract it out in China, or split the scene altogether and go overseas, depending on the goods and services they are doing.

    The illegal thing will only cause a social problem for our children, who will have to foot the bill in taxes to deal with it. Unassimilated and unskilled Mexicans will simply band together in the next economic down turn. They are ethnocentric today, and they will make sure their anchor babies will be ethnocentric tomorrow.

    I’m waiting for all the predictable stories in the media about how Hispanics were “misled” by the Gringos regarding mortgages and so forth. In the end, our children will have to pay much higher taxes and bare the import of Latin cultural Socialism.
     
    #57     Feb 27, 2007
  8. New Orleans protest gets rough
    Story Highlights
    Police use chemicals, stun guns on City Hall demonstrators

    Protesters planned to disrupt City Council meeting

    Council was set to vote on plan to demolish 4,500 public housing units

    Redevelopment plan brings up racial divisions

    NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AP) -- Police used chemical spray and stun guns Thursday as dozens of protesters seeking to halt the demolition of 4,500 public housing units tried to force their way through an iron gate at City Hall.

    One woman was sprayed with chemicals and dragged from the gates. She was taken away on a stretcher by emergency workers. Before that, the woman was seen pouring water from a bottle into her eyes and weeping.

    Another woman said she was stunned by officers, and still had what appeared to be a Taser wire hanging from her shirt.

    "I was just standing, trying to get into my City Council meeting," said the woman, Kim Ellis.

    Arrests were made as officers tried to establish order.

    Inside, a scuffle also occurred in the City Council chambers as the meeting opened. Several protesters were forced out, including a woman who was carried, and a recess was called. The room was calm once the meeting resumed.

    Protesters had planned to disrupt the City Council meeting, where members were expected to approve demolishing dozens of buildings -- a move that would open racial and class divisions.

    The council chambers seat fewer than 300 people. Once capacity was reached, people who were not permitted into the chambers marched and chanted. Eventually violence broke out.

    The City Council vote is a critical moment in a protracted fight between the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development and residents, activists and preservationists.

    HUD wants to demolish the buildings, most of them damaged by Hurricane Katrina in 2005, so developers can take advantage of tax credits and build new mixed-income neighborhoods.

    The council's approval of the demolition is required under the city's charter.

    HUD says the redevelopment, in the works before Katrina hit, will mark the end of the city's failed public housing experiment that lumped the poor into crime-ridden complexes and marooned them outside the life of the rest of the city.

    But critics say the plan will shrink the stock of cheap housing at a time when housing is scarce and drive poor blacks out of the city. They also say the buildings are, contrary to popular opinion, mostly handsome brick structures that will outlast anything HUD builds in their place.

    A news release from the Coalition to Stop the Demolition, one of several groups organizing protesters, characterized the pending action as a "rubber stamp" at a "sham meeting."

    "It is beyond callous, and can only be seen as malicious discrimination. It is an unabashed attempt to eliminate the black population of New Orleans," said Kali Akuno, an organizer with the group.

    A recent shake-up on the seven-member City Council turned it into a majority white panel for the first time since the 1980s, a shift that will certainly make the vote even more racially charged.

    Three of the council's white members were quick to say they supported the tear-down plan, while the council's three black members were hesitant about expressing their intentions.

    One black member, Cynthia Hedge Morrell, issued a statement late Wednesday in favor of demolitions. The fourth white member, Council President Arnie Fielkow, has been careful to tread the middle ground, but a spokeswoman said Thursday he supports demolition.

    "It's not racist and it's truly not a done deal behind the scenes," said Jacquelyn Brechtel Clarkson, a newly elected council member at large, about the council's pending vote.

    Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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    #58     Dec 23, 2007