True, but Muslim countries doesn't want the land to be part of theirs, they want the land to be given back to those who lost it (who are in part Muslims). If this is somehow done without removing the Israelis, the Muslims would be satisfied. The real obstacle here is Zionists who want the land to be arabfrei (believe it or not, that's an expression used by locals). While it is true that most Israelis are prepared to give up Judea and Samaria (which was not theirs to give up to begin with), the majority of Israelis does not want Palestinians who were removed from their properties back. It is quite astonishing how middle aged ladies who are settled in former Palestinian houses carry around rifles in case the real owners comes back, ready to murder them. Even inside Israel, wherever Palestinians are still living, they are in constant fear of the government taking their properties for "classified government purposes" which most probably means to cleans the area in order to build homes for Jews. In some villages, Palestinians aren't even allowed to repair their houses without a permit (which is never given) because the government is just waiting for life to be so rotten they HAVE to leave the country. And if they do repair their house or build something new on their property, it gets demolished: http://www.btselem.org/English/Planning_and_Building/East_Jerusalem_Statistics.asp The comparisons between Israel and Apartheid South Africa is only true when one talks about what happens inside Israel. In Gaza and on the West Bank, things are even worse. On top of everything else the Israeli government does (bombardments, restrictions, frequent attacks), the settlers are there to make bad even worse. Youtube is filling up with clips of these illegal immigrants attacking innocent Palestinians: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhvE1YkbdPU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YMTbKxB1mk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_uPPn_9SMw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGYT0O5INq4&NR=1 Or generally: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=israeli+settlers One of the pro-Israeli comments: "u r a nazi! u against israel, fucking antisemite. palestians will be exterminated by our glorious army. these sand niggers are the filth that contaminate the land of god. we will liberate the land of god from this scum! we will level their slums to the ground and build houses for the chosen people" Sounds nice. This is payed for in part by American tax dollars. Luckily we can choose not to watch this and forget it ever happens like this "a_person" guy surely does, but the people who lives there can't. IDF doesn't do much about attacks one way, their job is ONLY to protect the Jews, so the Palestinians can do nothing more than sit on their asses and take it (or blow them self up in an enemy crowd like some do). Edit: I think I stumbled upon a_persons youtube profile: http://www.youtube.com/user/yomkippur2 "f you are a communist or a nazi, then fuck off! All you haters out there can just shut up! Israel is doing what is right! America is on our side because we owe it! And you can't stop us! So just submit, and maybe you will be spared."
John Lennon? Thanks. I appreciate that compliment. I can see your future, and it's full of hate, cancerous rage and the inability to think freely. Your mind is shackled by an albatross of what you've been told is impossible. I feel sorry for you, hapa.
It is not supposed to be a summary, it is supposed to be a few often ignored details about the reality. Sure there are Palestinians who hates Israelis and want them out of the land, but who doesn't know that? The news media all over the world bombards us with every single bad thing Palestinians ever does, over and over again. And the guilty Palestinians are taking rightly heat for these things. It's the other side that keeps getting away.
Why are you getting upset? I told you I hope that day would come. Or do you only give credit to those who agree with you? Talk about shackled minds...
You hope that day will come, but implied you doubted it. Don't let doubt weigh down positive action. When my ancestors were being slaughtered by the Nazis (some would say Germans, but I like to make a distinction, for a variety of complicated reasons I won't bore you the details with now), I'm sure no one being affected could ever imagine reconciliation. If I were alive then and witness to that barbarism, I'm confident I'd find it impossible or nearly so. But yet many of the wounds have healed, even if the memories and history remain. Nothing is impossible when you operate with an unencumbered mind. There are three classes of people in life, as far as I'm concerned; the war makers, the peace makers, and the oblivious. Take your pick.
You might want to tell that to Israeli Arabs cause they don't know they live in an Apartheid state: Poll: 77% of Israeli Arabs would rather live in Israel than in any other country in the world...poll conducted by Harvard University's Kennedy School Jimmy Carter, 12/11/2006: "I recognize that Israel is a wonderful democracy with equal treatment of all citizens whether Arab or Jew." ___________________________________________________ I am actually beginning to like your style. I don't know whether you really are a Scandinavian or an arab/muslim living in Europe or an arab/muslim masquerading as a European... I don't know that but you lie like a real arab: Destructive: Arafat was offered 73% of West Bank Fact: Israeli redeployment from 95% of the West Bank and 100% of the Gaza Strip, other Israeli land exchanged for West Bank settlements remaining under Israeli control, Palestinian control over East Jerusalem, including most of the Old City, "Religious Sovereignty" over the Temple Mount, replacing Israeli sovereignty in effect since 1967. Even the French acknowledged it was the best and most generous deal. Destructive: you[americans] are the ones doing 99% of the killing! 99% of the killing are arabs killing arabs. We kill 99% of militants and terrorists Destructive: "evidence of the US breaking international law - I'll be happy to provide it for you." Fact: no evidence of US violations of international law in the Middle East prior to 9/11 was provided despite repeated requests Destructive: There is no free media in the US, there is free media in Europe Fact: Destructive gets his news from CNN. Destructive: "Israel was somewhat a client state of the US (Actually I would rather argue it was and is the other way around though)" Fact: Israel cannot be a client state of the US and its master simultaneously. Destructive: Negotiations with Iran is the way to go Fact: 5 years of European negotiations and 5 years of UN/IAEA negotiations and absolutely nothing to show for it. In all honesty it's not a lie but rather demonstrates his ignorance ____________________________________________ Keep up the good work!!!
Let me cite your source for you: "The release of the poll coincided with celebrations, accompanied by widespread Israeli Arab boycotts, of the 60th anniversary of the state's declaration of independence. Israeli Arab MKs cited widespread discrimination as the cause of the boycotts." Ask the Palestinians in the refugee camps the same question, and the same number will tell you they want to stay. That doesn't mean everything is nice, it simply means people likes their land. As far as Jimmy Carter is concerned, the quote is about the laws of Israel; I'm talking about the practice. While the laws on paper are not discriminatory they certainly are in practice. As documented; Jewish houses does not get demolished, Arab houses does. Here's an article about this issue from the respected Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem. Read it: http://www.btselem.org/English/Jerusalem/Discriminating_Policy.asp Most of this discrimination is done by having Israeli citizenship benefits tied up with the military service which Arabs obviously cannot do (unless they want to crush their own people). Again, seems completely non-discriminatory on paper, but it is in practice. It is getting better with time though: Until the second term of Yitzchak Rabin as Prime Minister, social benefits given to families in which at least one member (including a grandfather, uncle or cousin) had served at some time in the armed forces were significantly higher than to "non-military" families, which was considered a means of blatant discrimination between Jews and Arabs. Rabin had led the abolition of the measure, in the teeth of strong opposition from the Right. At present, the only official advantage from military service is the attaining of security clearance and serving in some types of government positions (in most cases, security-related), as well as some indirect benefits. In practice, however, a large number of Israeli employers placing "wanted" ads include the requirement "after military service" even when the job is in no way security-related, which is considered as a euphemism for "no Arab/Haredim need apply". The test of former military service is also frequently applied in admittance to various newly-founded communities, effectively barring Arabs from living there. Also, the Israeli national airline El Al hires only pilots who had served in the Air Force, which in practice excludes Arabs from the job. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces Israeli right-wingers have even been trying to link the right to vote with military service for a long time. Luckily the left has not allowed it. I've given you tons of documentation and information in part from unbiased sources and in part from Israeli sources. And you respond with an article that supports my claim and a single quote about something else? Is that really all you've got? Nice job, tool. ___________________________________________________ That's actually kind of racist. Though I must say, I'd rather be an Arab than have my head as far up my ass as you. Yeah, right, facts. You don't recognize facts when their shoved down your throat. Here's the facts from a source I gave you earlier: The initial area of the Palestinian state would comprise about 73% of the land area of the West Bank and all of Gaza. The West Bank would be divided by the road from Jerusalem to the Dead Sea and a corridor on either side of it. This would form two relatively large Palestinian areas and one small enclave surrounding Jericho. The three areas would be joined by a free passage without checkpoints, but the safe passage could be closed by Israel in case of emergency. According to Palestinian sources, there would be another division between the area north of the Ariel and Shilo settlements along the trans-Shomron highway built by Israel. In later stages (10-25 years) Israel would cede additional areas, particularly in the mountains overlooking the Jordan valley, to bring the total area to slightly under 90% of the area of the West Bank" http://www.mideastweb.org/campdavid2.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terrorism_casualties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_conflict_in_Iraq_since_2003 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–present) I've referred you to these numbers three times earlier. Look them up. I'm sorry, my remarks about your small testicles must have been hilarious to you, I didn't know that you're a female. Explained and accounted for in the following post: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1985664#post1985664 Good timing on this one. Looks like America is with me! I WIN!