Iran Enriched Uranium, Now its the Isreali Response, will they or wont they?

'Nukes will just keep both sides honest.'

That is not true with the Islamic nations, they like to use nukes as a blackmail to carry out other henious activities. Ex: Pakistan sponsoring terrorism against India for last 15 years killing more than 75,000 people. Whenever Islamic nations felt that they had enough power they went on to do bold acts that resulted in wars and destructions of peace and progress.

With nukes, Iran will start to consider itself a regional superpower and start to call shots at near and far.

I however do believe that any US attack on Iranian nuke labs etc. should not be done by using the nukes to begin with. US has lots of other options at hand to completely destroy these sites even if it takes 2-3 bombing runs. Using nukes will give fanatics in Iran a free hand to call for anything like suicide attacks all over the world etc.

World is not ready for nations like Iran, Libya, Egypt, Saudi etc. having nukes. Period!

 

The frightening truth of why Iran wants a bomb
By Amir Taheri
(Filed: 16/04/2006)

Last Monday, just before he announced that Iran had gatecrashed "the nuclear club", President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad disappeared for several hours. He was having a khalvat (tête-à-tête) with the Hidden Imam, the 12th and last of the imams of Shiism who went into "grand occultation" in 941.



According to Shia lore, the Imam is a messianic figure who, although in hiding, remains the true Sovereign of the World. In every generation, the Imam chooses 36 men, (and, for obvious reasons, no women) naming them the owtad or "nails", whose presence, hammered into mankind's existence, prevents the universe from "falling off". Although the "nails" are not known to common mortals, it is, at times, possible to identify one thanks to his deeds. It is on that basis that some of Ahmad-inejad's more passionate admirers insist that he is a "nail", a claim he has not discouraged. For example, he has claimed that last September, as he addressed the United Nations' General Assembly in New York, the "Hidden Imam drenched the place in a sweet light".

Last year, it was after another khalvat that Ahmadinejad announced his intention to stand for president. Now, he boasts that the Imam gave him the presidency for a single task: provoking a "clash of civilisations" in which the Muslim world, led by Iran, takes on the "infidel" West, led by the United States, and defeats it in a slow but prolonged contest that, in military jargon, sounds like a low intensity, asymmetrical war.

In Ahmadinejad's analysis, the rising Islamic "superpower" has decisive advantages over the infidel. Islam has four times as many young men of fighting age as the West, with its ageing populations. Hundreds of millions of Muslim "ghazis" (holy raiders) are keen to become martyrs while the infidel youths, loving life and fearing death, hate to fight. Islam also has four-fifths of the world's oil reserves, and so controls the lifeblood of the infidel. More importantly, the US, the only infidel power still capable of fighting, is hated by most other nations.

According to this analysis, spelled out in commentaries by Ahmadinejad's strategic guru, Hassan Abassi, known as the "Dr Kissinger of Islam", President George W Bush is an aberration, an exception to a rule under which all American presidents since Truman, when faced with serious setbacks abroad, have "run away". Iran's current strategy, therefore, is to wait Bush out. And that, by "divine coincidence", corresponds to the time Iran needs to develop its nuclear arsenal, thus matching the only advantage that the infidel enjoys.

Moments after Ahmadinejad announced "the atomic miracle", the head of the Iranian nuclear project, Ghulamreza Aghazadeh, unveiled plans for manufacturing 54,000 centrifuges, to enrich enough uranium for hundreds of nuclear warheads. "We are going into mass production," he boasted.

The Iranian plan is simple: playing the diplomatic game for another two years until Bush becomes a "lame-duck", unable to take military action against the mullahs, while continuing to develop nuclear weapons.

Thus do not be surprised if, by the end of the 12 days still left of the United Nations' Security Council "deadline", Ahmadinejad announces a "temporary suspension" of uranium enrichment as a "confidence building measure". Also, don't be surprised if some time in June he agrees to ask the Majlis (the Islamic parliament) to consider signing the additional protocols of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT).

Such manoeuvres would allow the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) director, Muhammad El-Baradei, and Britain's Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, to congratulate Iran for its "positive gestures" and denounce talk of sanctions, let alone military action. The confidence building measures would never amount to anything, but their announcement would be enough to prevent the G8 summit, hosted by Russia in July, from moving against Iran.

While waiting Bush out, the Islamic Republic is intent on doing all it can to consolidate its gains in the region. Regime changes in Kabul and Baghdad have altered the status quo in the Middle East. While Bush is determined to create a Middle East that is democratic and pro-Western, Ahmadinejad is equally determined that the region should remain Islamic but pro-Iranian. Iran is now the strongest presence in Afghanistan and Iraq, after the US. It has turned Syria and Lebanon into its outer defences, which means that, for the first time since the 7th century, Iran is militarily present on the coast of the Mediterranean. In a massive political jamboree in Teheran last week, Ahmadinejad also assumed control of the "Jerusalem Cause", which includes annihilating Israel "in one storm", while launching a take-over bid for the cash-starved Hamas government in the West Bank and Gaza.

Ahmadinejad has also reactivated Iran's network of Shia organisations in Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Yemen, while resuming contact with Sunni fundamentalist groups in Turkey, Egypt, Algeria and Morocco. From childhood, Shia boys are told to cultivate two qualities. The first is entezar, the capacity patiently to wait for the Imam to return. The second is taajil, the actions needed to hasten the return. For the Imam's return will coincide with an apocalyptic battle between the forces of evil and righteousness, with evil ultimately routed. If the infidel loses its nuclear advantage, it could be worn down in a long, low-intensity war at the end of which surrender to Islam would appear the least bad of options. And that could be a signal for the Imam to reappear.

At the same time, not to forget the task of hastening the Mahdi's second coming, Ahamdinejad will pursue his provocations. On Monday, he was as candid as ever: "To those who are angry with us, we have one thing to say: be angry until you die of anger!"

His adviser, Hassan Abassi, is rather more eloquent. "The Americans are impatient," he says, "at the first sight of a setback, they run away. We, however, know how to be patient. We have been weaving carpets for thousands of years."

• Amir Taheri is a former Executive Editor of Kayhan, Iran's largest daily newspaper, but now lives in Europe

 

oh but they are...

Predictably the biggest Jewish organization in the US, the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations (CPMAJO) immediately echoed the Israeli state line as it has since its founding. Malcolm Hoenlan, President of the CPMAJO lambasted Washington for a "failure of leadership on Iran" and "contracting the issue to Europe" (Forward, Dec. 9, 2005). He went on to attack the Bush Administration for not following Israel’s demands by delaying referring Iran to the UN Security Council for sanction. The leader of the CPMAJO then turned on French, German and British negotiators accusing them of "appeasement and weakness", and of not having a "game plan for decisive action" – presumably for not following Israel’s 'sanction or bomb them’ game plan.

The role of AIPAC, the CPMAJO and other pro-Israeli organizations as transmission belts for Israel’s bellicose war plans was evident in their November 28, 2005 condemnation of the Bush Administration agreement to give Russia a chance to negotiate a plan under which Iran would be allowed to enrich uranium under international supervision to ensure that its enriched uranium would not be used for military purposes. AIPAC’s rejection of negotiations and demands for an immediate confrontation were based on the specious argument that it would "facilitate Iran’s quest for nuclear weapons" – an argument which flies in the face of all known intelligence data (including Israel’s) which says Iran is at least 3 to 10 years away from even approaching nuclear weaponry. AIPAC’s unconditional and uncritical transmission of Israeli demands and criticism is usually clothed in the rhetoric of US interests or security in order to manipulate US policy. AIPAC chastised the Bush regime for endangering US security. By relying on negotiations, AIPAC accused the Bush Administration of "giving Iran yet another chance to manipulate (sic) the international community" and "pose a severe danger to the United States" (Forward, Dec. 9, 2005).

Leading US spokesmen for Israel opposed President Bush’s instructing his Ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khaklilzad, to open a dialog with Iran’s Ambassador to Iraq. In addition, Israel’s official 'restrained’ reaction to Russia’s sale to Teheran of more than a billion dollars worth of defensive anti-aircraft missiles, which might protect Iran from an Israeli air strike, was predictably echoed by the major Jewish organizations in the US. No doubt an important reason for Israel’s setting an early deadline for its military assault on Iran is to act before Iran establishes a new satellite surveillance system and installs its new missile defense system.

Pushing the US into a confrontation with Iran, via economic sanctions and military attack has been a top priority for Israel and its supporters in the US for more than a decade (Jewish Times/ Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 6, 2005). The AIPAC believes the Islamic Republic poses a grave threat to Israel’s supremacy in the Middle East. In line with its policy of forcing a US confrontation with Iran, AIPAC, the Israeli PACs (political action committees) and the CPMAJO have successfully lined up a majority of Congress people to challenge what they describe as the "appeasement" of Iran. According to the Jewish Times (12/6/05), "If it comes down to a political battle, signs are that AIPAC could muster strong support in Congress to press the White House to demand sanctions on Iran." Representative Illeana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Florida), who has the dubious distinction of being a collaborator with Cuban exile terrorist groups and unconditional backer of Israel’s war policy, is chairwoman of the highly influential US House of Representative Middle East subcommittee. From that platform she has echoed the CPMAJO line about "European appeasement and arming the terrorist regime in Teheran" (Jewish Times 12/6/05). The Cuban-American Zionist boasted that her Iran sanctions bill has the support of 75% of the members of Congress and that she is lining up additional so-sponsors.

full article...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=PET20060123&articleId=1790

 

Pabst,

Cannot agree more. Being originally from the Philippines, we have had trouble in the Southern most Island, Mindanao in the Philippines since, I was 6 years old. I'm 48 years old now so, 42 years of terroristic activities continues to this day. The Philippine government gave them regional autonomy, funds to develop their areas (kept by the corrupt leaders like the Palestinians) and yet, to this day, continue to act like bandits, kidnapping, bombing, beheading people with impunity.
This rise of Islamic militancy has been going for sometime but, people are blind to it!!! In the United States on TV, muslim militants in DC said, pointing to the White House----one day we are going to occupy that!!! Even France, The Netherlands who have nothing to do with the Iraq war has been subjected to atleast, some attempts to kill innocent civilians. That fact that they did not succeed is beside the point!!! Islam is an evil religion despite what the muslims tell you!!!! Actions speak louder than words!!! It is only a matter of time before the West (not the United States) takes action against these radicals!!!!

 

Whats asinine is your blind support for an Administration who refuses to close the nations borders with a "nuclear holocaust" on our doorstep.

I guess when you're getting cleaning for 5 dollars an hour, it takes precedence, eh?


If you were remotely astute, you'd realise the greatest threat to this countries security is our Governments resolve to do NOTHING about it.

Radical terrorism is just a trumped up threat designed to scare the sheep into giving up all their rights and money in exchange for perpetual war.

Perpetual war for perpetual peace.

With a closed border and a intel apparatus that actually did its job, this 'cut throat' army of impoverished thirdworlders can't do shit.

In fact, they still cant'.

 

i think these guys are simply foaming of having to negotiate from a position of weakness for the past 60 years, ie accept any bones israel / the us is going to throw at them if any, while they have reasons to believe that there's been a serious land grab in palestine, and loads of nasty us / cia oil-related interference in the region... they want to be in a position of, if not strentgh, at least 'equals' as far as deterrents, retaliatory means, means of aggression etc... theres no other way they can extract a 'fair' deal otherwise...

also think hamas is in a pickle at the mo'... their life was easier before they got elected... look at whats happening with herri batasuna in spain / france, the ira etc etc... hamas is going to have to deliver, and basically what the palestinians want is not more pain... gonna have to compromise a bit... perhaps iran's worried that hamas may give too much too fast for iran's taste, therefore the gesticulations...

what wld a big & scary mistake methinks is if the us uses any measure of nukes, even tactical, preemptively against iran... then your guaranteed that legions of guys are going to go berserk around the planet and even in the us... probably not difficult to buy explosives and a nice jacket in the us... that wldn't be wise to fan those flames...

 

thank you.

 

No. Not killed. I said HIT by lightning.

Ever hear the expression, 'its more likely you'd get *hit* by lightning than xyz'??

Btw, the average American has a one in 300,000 chance of getting hit (injured or killed) by lightning every year = 900 persons per annum.

So you've got 5000 odd American deaths as a direct result of Islamic extremism - since 1990 - and 14,400 hit or killed by lightning during the same period.

Therefore, we can safely conclude:

1) Americans have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than they do from dying in a terror attack.

2) Your reading comprehension skills need some work.

I’m more a patriot than you ever will be.

You're the phony, flag-waving type who thinks patriotism is synonymous with total fealty to Big Government instead of the Constitution they swore to uphold.

Kool-aid drinkers can't distinguish bad decisions from bad Governance because their political paradigm (blue team vs. red team) is totally flawed to begin with.

Evidently, you are one of them.

 

^ well said.

 

'I’m more a patriot than you ever will be.'


Swine supports Mullahs with nukes who threaten to wipe out Israel and then move to Europe and so on.............and then he calls himself 'a patriot'. Oh I forgot.......Patriot for the Mullahs!