!!!!Iran drops dollar from oil deals: report!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by tyler19, Dec 8, 2007.

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    #81     Dec 9, 2007
  2. You are a dickhead without the balls to go and have a go yourself. I know i wouldnt go I saw what war did to my father who fought in WW2 and Korea. You see that and not a movies and it brings it home.
     
    #82     Dec 9, 2007
  3. Every single solider killed or injured is a tragedy, to die for a lie is criminal
     
    #83     Dec 9, 2007
  4. I hope that's not your razor wit!!!!

    You are that stupid I wonder how you get out of bed in the morning and please dont tell me you are a trader (a successful that is) that whopper would be up there with the WMD crap that spewed out of Bush's mouth
     
    #84     Dec 9, 2007
  5. I love how you can tell who the real traders are in here.
     
    #85     Dec 9, 2007

  6. You must have read Bill O'Reilly's books.
     
    #86     Dec 9, 2007
  7. After reading the entire thread I have come to the conclusion that nealvan must be a troll.

    "An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum or group with the singular intention of baiting users into an argumentative response.[1] It often has a broader meaning referring to any shady trouble making Internet activity."
     
    #87     Dec 9, 2007
  8. Joab

    Joab

    LOL

    I'm 44 but if I was 19 you could count me in to take out Ahmadinejad.

    :cool:
     
    #88     Dec 9, 2007
  9. Joab

    Joab



    I hope your right, I'm not for any type of War what so ever unless someone is breaking into my front door to kill me, then I say adios sucker and blow his face off.

    Self defense against mad men is a justified act imho.
     
    #89     Dec 9, 2007
  10. Before we get to the infamous remark, it's important to note that the "quote" in question was itself a quote— they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office.

    THE ACTUAL QUOTE:

    So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

    That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

    So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".

    THE PROOF:

    The full quote translated directly to English:

    "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

    Word by word translation:

    Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

    Here is the full transcript of the speech in farsi, archived on Ahmadinejad's web site
    www.president.ir/farsi/ahmadinejad/speeches/1384/aban-84/840804sahyonizm.htm

    THE SPEECH AND CONTEXT:

    While the false "wiped off the map" extract has been repeated infinitely without verification, Ahmadinejad's actual speech itself has been almost entirely ignored. Given the importance placed on the "map" comment, it would be sensible to present his words in their full context to get a fuller understanding of his position. In fact, by looking at the entire speech, there is a clear, logical trajectory leading up to his call for a "world without Zionism". One may disagree with his reasoning, but critical appraisals are infeasible without first knowing what that reasoning is.

    In his speech, Ahmadinejad declares that Zionism is the West's apparatus of political oppression against Muslims. He says the "Zionist regime" was imposed on the Islamic world as a strategic bridgehead to ensure domination of the region and its assets. Palestine, he insists, is the frontline of the Islamic world's struggle with American hegemony, and its fate will have repercussions for the entire Middle East.

    Ahmadinejad acknowledges that the removal of America's powerful grip on the region via the Zionists may seem unimaginable to some, but reminds the audience that, as Khomeini predicted, other seemingly invincible empires have disappeared and now only exist in history books. He then proceeds to list three such regimes that have collapsed, crumbled or vanished, all within the last 30 years:

    (1) The Shah of Iran- the U.S. installed monarch

    (2) The Soviet Union

    (3) Iran's former arch-enemy, Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein

    In the first and third examples, Ahmadinejad prefaces their mention with Khomeini's own words foretelling that individual regime's demise. He concludes by referring to Khomeini's unfulfilled wish: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time. This statement is very wise". This is the passage that has been isolated, twisted and distorted so famously. By measure of comparison, Ahmadinejad would seem to be calling for regime change, not war.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article16218.htm
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    It is one thing for the fucking zioinst filth like dddooo and his ilk to start a war and it is another for them to distort facts to compel the American people to start another war on their behalf. These sons of bitches will not rest until they cause another blood bath in the region that will take the lives of American young men and civilians of another nation.
     
    #90     Dec 9, 2007