Investing Catechism

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by nitro, Oct 23, 2009.

  1. nitro

    nitro

    WHAT?

    Where is the definition that investors can't sell stock they own? Stocks are meant to be leased, not married, and one of the defining factors to lease a stock as an investor is earnings that support dividends.

    Absolultely investors sell and buy stocks, and rotate in and out of them.
     
    #101     Oct 25, 2009
  2. sprstpd

    sprstpd

    So there is no difference between trading and investing then?
     
    #102     Oct 25, 2009
  3. nitro

    nitro

    The differences are subtle, but mostly it has to do with length of time holding an asset, and the decision making that goes into a trade vs an investment. With the advent of things like "Swing" Investing, the two poles meet somewhere in the middle.

    Traders work for their money. Investors have their money work for them. That is the essence of the difference.
     
    #103     Oct 25, 2009
  4. sprstpd

    sprstpd

    If your argument boils down to trading versus investing (I think there is no difference), then I don't think it has much merit.
     
    #104     Oct 25, 2009
  5. nitro

    nitro

    Well, you can think whatever you want. However, nothing that you have written down as logical argument proves your proposition. You could be right, but you have not communicated a strong argument to convince.

    As I said, the synthetic dividend is a hole in my argument, but one I can patch relatively easily.
     
    #105     Oct 25, 2009
  6. sprstpd

    sprstpd

    I don't consider your case to be logical either so there you go.
     
    #106     Oct 25, 2009
  7. nitro

    nitro

    Then we disagree. That is fine.
     
    #107     Oct 25, 2009
  8. spindr0

    spindr0

    I don't know anything about Cramer's shtick but there is some grain of truth to getting into a high dividend paying stock before the dividend since there is often a modest rise into the ex-div date. It works well in pairs trading. Conversely, once ex-div occurs, it often drops above and beyond the dividend reduction. So exit before the div may be more appropriate.

    Many noobs show up with the free money concept of a dividend. As you noted, they're paying you with your own money and you also incur a taxable event. In and of itself, it's a negative until the stock rises.
     
    #108     Oct 25, 2009
  9. spindr0

    spindr0

    LOL. Wait until you see how little sleep you're going to get when those OTM naked calls go ITM and bang you for beaucoup dollars.
     
    #109     Oct 25, 2009
  10. no offense nitro, but you look like one of these blokes that have failed miserably at trading and now has come up with a investing doctrine that justifies your beliefs and exorcizes your fears.

    it is like saying the fiat currency system is a ponzi scheme based on the fact new money will be printed to pay off the existing debt. of course it is but that's how the whole fiduciary monetary system is built upon. so what's your point really?

    the non-dividend paying shares are as much as ponzi scheme as the rest of the shares publicly available. the price of share is based on the projected cash flow associated to it, whether it pays timely dividends or not. there is nothing to discuss beyond this point really.
     
    #110     Oct 25, 2009