Intraday Pair Trading/Stat Arb

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Shanb, Nov 13, 2011.

  1. bone

    bone

    I think you have a fair point about getting some mutual reciprocity from serious parties who have something tangible to share. IMO automated pairs trading and arbitrage is a very compelling strategy with broad participation but with piss-poor discussion. Not a sharing, loving feeling perhaps.

    Maybe choose and post an example that you feel is compelling and worthy of consideration but preserves for you the core IP of your strategy. You might just be pleasantly surprised where the discussion leads.
     
    #81     Mar 16, 2012
  2. Bone, thanks for your post.

    The offer still stands for discussion offline. We've got a long list of statistical methods some of which we've tried already and others we haven't.

    Best regards
     
    #82     Mar 16, 2012
  3. bennfine

    bennfine

    Hi:

    There is an older article from TASC about pairs trading. In the article they define the spread as

    Spread = (LastA/CloseA) – (LastB/CloseB)

    They then define the volatility band as
    VB = (HV1 + HV2)*(1/252)*(1-R)

    where R = correlation between the two stocks
    HV1 = historical volatility of stock 1
    HV2 = historical volatiltiy of stock 2

    They then make the usual bands

    Spread +/- 2 VB (or so)

    I have searched google but can't find where the formula for VB comes from-does anyone know?

    Thanks!
     
    #83     Mar 24, 2012
  4. bennfine

    bennfine

    I though this was posted but didn't see it up yet........sorry if this is a repeat.

    I have a math question from the following TASC paper on pairs trading:

    http://store.traders.com/v20526daysto.html

    They define the spread as
    Spread = (LastA/CloseA) – (LastB/CloseB)

    Then define the volatility band as

    VB = (HV1 + HV2) * sqrt(1/252)*(1-R)

    where
    HV1 = historical volatility of stock 1
    HV2 = historical volatility of stock 2
    R = correlation of the two stocks

    I've searched google with no luck-can anyone explain where the VB equation comes from?

    Thanks!
     
    #84     Mar 24, 2012
  5. He's just taking the summed volatility of the two stocks, adjusting from annual to daily volatility (252 trading days a year), and reducing it ( factor of 1-R) for highly correlated stocks to get a volatility band.
     
    #85     Mar 24, 2012
  6. Shanb

    Shanb

    Good description. FWIW I backtested many variations of that pair trading "system" outlined by Cowan and couldn't get it to be profitable in any of the pairs that I tried it on. I tried the more obvious pairs, picked pairs based on fundamental factors, stocks with common fundamental inputs but different industries etc etc.

    IMO you need something a bit more robust than the system you are looking at!
     
    #86     Mar 24, 2012
  7. bennfine

    bennfine

    Thanks....is there any theory behind it?

    Var(X-Y) = Var(X) + Var(Y) - 2Cov(X,Y) and all that, but their VB formula seems ad hoc; or at least I can't find it justified anywhere.

    Do people have a preference for working with X-Y or X/Y when pairs trading?

    Thanks!
     
    #87     Mar 24, 2012
  8. Good point - I do not know. Maybe he tried various things and went with what seemed best. Maybe you can email him.

    Ratio should definitely be better.

    A lot of people say cointegration is a better screen than correlation for pairs.
     
    #88     Mar 24, 2012
  9. bennfine

    bennfine

    #89     Mar 25, 2012
  10. Hi everyone,

    I am looking for recommendations for good pair trading execution software. (Just to be clear not looking for a pair trade finder.) We are using simple software right now. I am looking for specifically something has order slicing functionality built in and various types of fills for the second leg so that we get good execution without paying through the nose. We have found we are not getting best execution right now. We don't want to write our own code if we don't have to.

    Likewise if someone knows a coder who might be able to help and has experience coding trading systems please get in contact.

    Any suggestions are appreciated.

    Best regards
     
    #90     Mar 28, 2012