I don't want to re-hash all the religon talk and whether or not god exists again but I just got this e-mail from a good friend of mine and I thought I would post it on here. In light of the many perversions and jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke, it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking. Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on Sept. 11). Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?" In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school . the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK. Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK. Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity, and we surely don't want to be sued (there's a big difference between disciplining, touching, beating, smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc.). And we said OK. Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they want, and they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said OK. Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said OK. Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what we do in private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good. Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said OK. And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and published pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the Internet. And we said OK, they're entitled to free speech. Then the entertainment industry said, let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment, it has no adverse effect, nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead. Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves. Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW." Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace. Are you laughing?Are you laughing? Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they WILL think of you for sending it. Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us. Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in!
There are a few virulent athiests/skeptics/secular humanists/infidels on in ET. But the silent majority not only believes in the supernatural but has experienced it. And those who believe in the supernatural generally have a profound respect for the kind of things she it talking about even if they are not a fundamentalist Christian. And supernatural or not, history is riddled with civilizations that have collapsed from within or from invading hordes of seemingly less powerful peoples...
But I think there is a little bit of an imbalance into what she is saying: America is still one of the most charitable, non-imperialist nations on the earth. Imo it is very polarized. When we are good, we are very, very good. When we are bad, we are very, very bad...
Let us fall to our knees in thanking God for allowing the attacks of 9/11 to have taken place as a reminder of how far we have fallen. What a good God he is for only having taken 3,000 otherwise innocent lives, and leaving many, many thousands of orphaned children, and widows behind, not to mention perhaps hundreds of thousands of relatives and friends to grieve for the rest of their natural lives. And let us give further thanks to the moronic daughter of the charlatan Billy Greham for providing a simple minded answer to a stupid question for the benefit of those among us who refuse to think for ourselves.
Good point, but does that mean there is no guiding force behind the affairs of nations? Are men influenced by the supernatural/spiritual but not nations?
Whether you're a theist or someone who believes in Karma or "the Force", I don't believe most people believe that nations collapse just because of random firings of social events. I believe most see a collapse and decay from that nation's own internal moral, politcal and social structures.
The only benefit of a belief in the so-called supernatural/spiritual guiding men/nations is the ability to blame some unseen force for your own actions. There is no supernatural/spiritual force. Nor is there any proof or indication that they exist. Believing in them (i.e. wanting them to exist) does not make them real. Citing a "majority" who believe in them does not strengthen the argument. A "majority" of people have a "belief" in their daily horoscopes printed in the newspaper - does that make them real?
Most people who say that don't want proof. Want proof? The quickest way to believe in the supernatural is to live in a Third World country for a few years. Your skepticism will fade in one instant...
i agree with what tampa said. can you elaborate on what you're saying? it seems you disagree with what he said, but i don't really see your point. thx