Discussion in 'Retail Brokers' started by nitro, Sep 18, 2002.
Please vote on whether you want bullets or not - [hint, vote yes]
I've started a thread on the IB discussion forum about this. I hope everyone joins in and lets IB management know that we really want this feature.
If I understand correctly, a bullet is a buy of a certain number of shares at a tick up from the current bid. The idea is that you want to short the stock, but you can't do that unless that stock is ticking up. When you do the small buy, it causes the tick up, at which time you can then enter your sell order for the short side. It's a way to get around the SEC rule of shorting only on an uptick.
nah, a bullet is a synthetic long position using a conversion.. so you can in effect get short on a downtick.. personally i dont care if ib offers them or not..
Here is a brokers definition below, but it allows you to sell stock short and avoid the uptick rules. Its identical to having a long and short account at the same firm, and selling your long position without an uptick, and thus becoming net short. This of course is illegal, but when someone came up with something complicated (like bullets), and ran it by the regulators, they tried to act like they understood and let it slide by. This is a big advantage pro firms have over retail firms in NYSE stocks. The NASD uptick rule is more generous and bullets aren't really necessary on liquid NASD stocks (IMO).
"A "bullet" (a.k.a. Conversion) is a hedging strategy to offset investment risk, consisting of a long stock packaged with a long put and a short call. The options and the stock are bought on the same day and the stock purchased will be delivered when either the put or call is exercised. The put is purchased at a strike price greater than the underlying stock price. The call is written at the same strike price as the put. If the stock price remains less than or equal to the strike price once the strategy is implemented, the call will expire worthless, the put will be exercised, and the long stock will be delivered in order to complete the hedge strategy. If the stock price becomes greater than the strike price once the strategy is implemented, the put will expire worthless, the call will be exercised, and the long stock will be delivered in order to complete the hedge strategy. The option components of a bullet are unregistered, non-exchange traded securities, and there is no secondary market for them. All orders are unsolicited. The position is a day position, and the options are either exercised or expire worthless at the end of the day automatically."
Thanks for the explanation. Carol
Not even close ...
it is on the agenda. stuff like this doesn't happen over night. i don't have a time frame. the best place to discuss this request would be on the IB web site discussion boards.
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