Intelligent design not so intellignt.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Free Thinker, May 14, 2010.

  1. PatternRec

    PatternRec Guest

    Well then I suppose I can't just say that theism has been responsible for some wonderful and altruistic things without listing examples?

    But since your bias seemingly prevents you from contemplating any good attributable to atheism, I suppose I'll help you out.

    Many of the technologies you may enjoy or need are a result of freed minds in the sciences. Many Nobel laureates are/were atheist. Many activists around the world who labor for human rights and peace are atheist. Atheist musicians, composers and artists have made lasting contributions to their respective fields. Atheist authors, lawyers, doctors, etc have made important and...

    Well you know what, have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nontheists.
     
    #51     May 15, 2010
  2. #52     May 15, 2010
  3. Interesting...Didnt know Natalie Portman was atheist. Especially when she once said that when she has kids, she wants them to grow up in the jewish religion. Kinda weird that an atheist would want that for thier kids unless of course they thought atheism was likely to cause people to be very immoral.

    Of course saying that america would be like all those muslim countries, or then using S.E. asian countries that just 20 years ago were run by brutal dictators and then saying "SEE...religion is bad because the country is doing bad...." Well thats just propaganda.

    I could pick that video apart even more about the facts being off, but I think you get my point.
     
    #53     May 15, 2010
  4. All those technologies...though the athests stood on the backs of the Christian thinkers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

    Oh...your link was broken, but lucky for you I was able to find it. Wow...what a list. And such impressive people on it, like Sheldon Brown, the bicycle mechanic and technical authority on almost every aspect of bicycles. Or Elizer Wright, the father of life insurance (thanks for that one atheists!)
     
    #54     May 15, 2010
  5. ehorn

    ehorn

    Observing and documenting material behavior (knowledge) as it occurs in the physical or material world is one objective, whereas producing theories or evidence of origin another. Origin, whether natural selection or watchmaker, requires faith (belief). As such, it seems logical (to me) to objectively present both theories in an environment where "free thinking" is encouraged.
     
    #55     May 15, 2010
  6. PatternRec

    PatternRec Guest



    They sure did to some degree. The work of some notable Christian and Islamic thinkers is foundational to modern science. At the same time though, many "Christian thinkers" were persecuted for their research that contradicted or disproved current religious thought at the time. To the Catholic Church's credit, they been far more open to science than at any time in their history. They still have quite a ways to go.

    In any event, what happened? Why have Christians and Muslims in this age seemingly all but dropped scientific inquiry?

    I didn't realize the Sheldon Brown was an atheist. I use his informative websites often andI'm an avid cyclist.

    Also, on Natalie Portman, Judaism is more than just a religion. It's a culture and community. She would probably raise her children in the liberal Jewish community. While they embrace the Jewish tradition, its hallmark is that it embraces rational thought and scientific evidence.
     
    #56     May 16, 2010
  7. Yes...it does seem logical except the person presenting the theories is going to lean to whatever side he believes and push that theory.

    The world has definately been set up that we have a choice in what to believe. You can find just enough wiggle room in everyones beliefs that you can be convinced or unconvinced of whatever it is you believe or dont believe.
     
    #57     May 16, 2010
  8. Still plenty of them around. For some reason though the mainstream media doesnt seem to like to put their accomplishments out there. If its not an atheist finding another monkey claiming it to be a long lost human ancestor, then it doesnt make the news.

    Here are the Christian scientists.

    http://english.sdaglobal.org/research/sctstbel.htm#_Toc71912180
     
    #58     May 16, 2010
  9. interesting.but i do follow your reasoning,such as it is. your god makes little babies suffer now so he wont have to make them suffer in hell later.
    let me ask you a question. when you had babies did you consider murdering them so they get a free pass to heaven and to eliminate the possibility of them rejecting god and going to hell later?
     
    #59     May 17, 2010
  10. you really dont have a clue how science works. serious question. were you educated in a church school?
     
    #60     May 17, 2010