Actually, you just posted the same thing a few hours ago, but then it was pointed out to you that order actually underlies turbulent systems, which are chaotic (random on one level, ordered on another). This is a well known aspect of fluid dynamics. Did you miss that post or are you just ignoring it because it tends to undermine your argument?
RESPONSE IN CAPS... You can continue to recite your mantra that "random ignorant chance is just a theory, because ID cannot be ruled out," but the only person you'll ever convince of this is yourself. No sane person would conclude as you are concluding. It is exactly the same as saying that PI is not science because we can't calculate it with absolute certainty. Absolute certainty may be a requirement of your personal philosophy, as derived from Karl Popper's work (and I doubt that Popper would support your use of his ideas), of what is or is not logically correct, but it is not a requirement of real world science. In fact, the entire mathematics of calculus is based on the knowledge that many calculations cannot be measured with absolute certainty. Example: it is mathematically impossible to algebraically isolate the interest rate calculation in a standard bond yield or amortized mortgage function. So, the interest rate must be approximated using a method known as "Newtonian Approximation." Every computer financial application uses this technique to compute interest rate yields. Thus, many of the most important financial calculations cannot be ascertained with certainty. Are they unscientific? Should we toss them all out, while we wait for certainty to appear? According to your axioms, the answer is an unqualified yes. Anything that cannot be proved to an absolute certainty, by ruling out any possible alternative is just theory. The interest rate on a mortgage is not theoretical. It may be only approximately correct to the penny after 30 years, but that's not the same as theoretical. Evolutionary "theory" is approximately correct to the last penny. ID is as of yet, incalculable via any approximation or statistical theory. Do you have any science to support your belief in ID, or are you just gonna keep repeating the same ol' crapola until everyone falls asleep?
ID is a myth but how does one define non-ID is a bit of a mystery to me... like whats a non-godallmighty / non-allahakhbar etc for instance?? don't think its being taught in schools either... your job is done zizzz! osannah! as for evolution, thats a proper scientific theory... until s.o. breaks thru the generalized randomness of "mutations" inherent to the prevailing topological structure and its defects observed at all relevant spatial-temporal-energy scales of interaction at surface / phase transition levels for instance (but not only, eg in presence of "impurities", photon collision etc), the theory holds, thank u
This is an excellent approach to the Kingdom...to readily admit not understanding. This is to perceive innocently. Children do this...and "of such is the Kingdom of God". I will then describe the Kingdom from many different angles, until you can glimpse it for yourself...remember it. The world remains uncaused by anything outside of your own mind. This is the "inside". When you look "outside" you are actually looking at the effect of mind..."inside". Until you see that it is inside, you will not understand the outside. Within your own mind, you are given complete dominion. This is your kingdom. This is what I meant by "the kingdom of God is within you". You will soon see just how true this is. Within the one Christ Mind, individuation occurs. Understand that you are an individuation of the one Christ Mind, the "only begotten Son of God". Many individuations have gotten together to create a world of experience. What you might call a consensus "reality", I call a consensus "experience" because they are "made" not "begotten" relative to reality. There is interplay between individuated minds that are ultimately of one Mind. Shakespeare spoke well when he penned, "All the world is a stage, and we are merely players". For a moment, perceive the one Christ Mind as an ocean, where individual waves arise, made of the same substance - perfect freedom, perfect knowledge of and union with God. In that freedom, the power to decide or to desire is present. And desire begets worlds without end. That is what your entire planet once came from. That is what your entire solar system came from. Your entire universe was born of desire. Individuated minds desire to play in worlds, as players upon stages...changing masks, changing roles, reading scripts written by interactive minds. Between "lives" you go "backstage", rest, and change costumes for your next role. When roles are taken too seriously, insane notions are entertained. The acronym for seriously insane notions is "sin"...and that is all. These drive the chaos you then experience, and fear sets in to grip you, and keep you playing the same roles, reading the same scripts over and over. Another player comes along and taps you on the shoulder and says, "hey, this is just a play. No need to take it so seriously. Would you rather have a tragedy or a comedy?" Such players help those who have been "hoodwinked" to remember the truth and become free. Never underestimate the power of the individuated mind - within the Mind of Christ - to have complete dominion over all experiences within this drama. Know that nothing can "happen" to you without your permission. There are no accidents. Whatever has seemed to "happen" to you has been by your permission. You cannot even be deceived by your own mind without your own permission. Thus, you are the only one with power to keep yourself in the "prison" of a small body-mind package. Now you know why it is not possible to "prove" anything to the mind that has invited self-deception. Those who are playing "roles" wish to temporarily believe their role is "real" in order to experience well the experience the role offers. Awareness is for those who begin to realize they are in a "Midsummers Night Dream" and desire now to awaken from the dream. The key, then, to the transformation of your lived experience, while the body lasts, is to assume complete responsibility for how you are choosing to use the mind. Remember only you can think a thought, only you can have an idea. That idea cannot enter your domain, over which you have complete dominion, unless you have sent it an invitation. That is simply the way it is. The more you come to truly desire only that which reflects the truth of who you are, you will be able to tolerate less and less variance within yourself. This is why when any mind truly begins to awaken, it becomes more and more painful to continue certain thoughts or behaviors that to not reflect the deep desire of the heart. Recognize that what you desire you will experience, for desire is perfectly free. That desire, that power to desire, is within you and you will never be without it. It is impossible to be desire-less, since you can only find yourself to be where you have desired to be. Recognize that what you desire literally creates the pathway whereby you will experience either Heaven or hell, peace or turbulence, love or fear. In each moment of desire, right where you are, you have just birthed an entire world. For out of that desire, you will create your perceptions of everything from yourself to the farthest stars, all in a split second, a moment of timelessness. As a small example, the sky can be full of dark clouds and pouring down rain...for all those who desire this consensus experience. But any individual mind having that experience can desire - choose again - another experience. Such a mind can literally experience an opening of sunshine in the "same" sky that everyone else experiences as black, cloudy and rainy. At this point you are not in the exact same world as the rest, but rather have created another world that is in every way identical, except for the sunshiny sky you now experience. All possibilities, all permutations of "chance", all "scenarios", all "events", all "things" exist now, both simultaneously and consecutively. Out of all these possibilities, you experience the one you desire in this moment. Thus, things don't just "happen", for all has "happened". You choose what you will experience. Time is an illusion created by YOU - spirit - "moving" THROUGH a series of choices to experience. Time does not move past YOU, or happen TO you. If you think it can move "past" you, you will be stuck in the "past", not really "living". Rather, you are the master of time when you operate from the "now". As you are constantly choosing, you are constantly "making" your experiences. Time marches on only in a world of perceptions, not in a world of knowing. Realize then that desire is the great power of creativity. It takes a very powerful mind to create a drama in which you seem to be small and powerless. In this way, you can see your "failure" as a great "success" with a small shift in your perception. All "miracles" exist. You will see the one's you desire to see. That is why you ask "believing you have already received it" because you have already received everything! You have been given everything already of the Father, Who gives all to all. Quantum physics bears "witness" to this. Out of all possibilities, you will see what you perceive. It is the "observer" who changes waves of light to particles of light. Your perception is driven by what you desire. Minds desiring to play together will seem to "see" the same things. Yet each will see a bit differently, according to each's desire. But who are "you"? ALL choices bear upon this one question. You will "see" who you want to see. You become confused because you identify with a very small, limited body-mind package. Thus, you become confused because you do not identify with the unlimitedness of your whole mind...the one that creates the "stages" upon which you "play"...the one perceiving a universe external to "you". "You" are not a body. A body is an effect of a desire, shaped by thought, correlating to a pattern adapted to a world by a consensus of minds. Many minds desiring to pretend they are separate from God make up the world you experience. Fear is invented, creating the "gravity" that binds bodies together. Beliefs shape and perpetuate experiences within the body...death, for example. What you think is "energy" is actually thought. Death is but a change of energy...a change of mind. I have shown you how to choose again. The highest state of awareness, then, in which perception has been totally cleansed and purified is one of paradox as soon as you seek to talk about it. For you will look upon yourself and see yourself as a body-mind, with a certain name, living in a certain place on a certain planet, doing a certain thing. In the very same moment, in the very same field of your mind, you will know that you are not that body, that you are not that name, that you are not that history - that you are something more. You are something grand, you are something divine, you are something mysterious, you are something beyond comprehension by any mind, at least in the realm of thought. And you will literally know and feel within the core of your being the truth of both of those. And there will no longer be opposition between them. You will no longer look at the personality and see a great schism between it and the nature of Christ Mind - for the two will have become merged as one. Peace, Jesus
RESPONSE IN CAPS... I DON'T EXPECT TO CONVINCE TRUE BELIEVERS OF NON ID SUCH AS YOURSELF, ANY MORE THAN I WOULD EXPECT A DOGMATIC THEIST TO BE CONVINCED THEIR BELIEF SYSTEMS DON'T BELONG IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. NO SANE PERSON WOULD CONTINUE TO CLAIM THAT THEY HAVE PROOF OF RANDOM IGNORANT CHANCE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO WAY TO RULE OUT DESIGN. AND NO WAY OF KNOWING DESIGN IS NOT AT WORK. SANE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BELIEF AND KNOWLEDGE. A GUESS, AN ATHEISTIC BIAS, OR AN ASSUMPTION OF FACT IS NOT IN EVIDENCE IS NOT THE SAME AS FACT. IN A TRIP TO MARS, IF THE COURSE IS OFF ONLY A SLIGHT PERCENTAGE, THE MOON IS MISSED BY MILES. THERE IS A GUIDANCE MECHANISM TO CONTINUE TO CORRECT FOR BEING OFF COURSE. EXACTNESS MATTERS. THERE IS NO GUIDANCE MECHANISM WHEN AN ASSUMPTION OF IGNORANT CHANCE IS THE INITIAL HYPOTHESIS USED TO EXPLAIN IGNORANT CHANCE. IT IS 100% CIRCULAR REASONING. EXACTNESS IS WHAT SCIENCE STRIVES FOR, REASON, LOGIC...NOT RANDOM IGNORANT CHANCE GUESSING AND A CIRCULAR ARGUMENT. IT DOES FOLLOW THOUGH, THAT IGNORANT CHANCE GUESSING WOULD APPEAL TO THOSE DEFENDING THE CONCEPT OF IGNORANT CHANCE BEING THE FORCE BEHIND THE ORIGIN OF LIFE. ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS OF OTHER BRANCHES OF SCIENCE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT A LACK OF ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY IN THEIR MEASUREMENTS, ARE NOT BEGINNING FROM A PLATFORM OF IGNORANT CHANCE, AND AN ASSUMPTION THAT IGNORANT CHANCE IS THE FOUNDATION OF LIFE ITSELF. THEY RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO ALLOW FOR PLAY IN THE CALCULATIONS, BUT THEY DO NOT SUGGEST THAT THEIR FIELD OF STUDY ITSELF IS A PRODUCT OF IGNORANT CHANCE. MATHEMATICIANS DO NOT ERECT THEIR WORK ON THE BASIS OF AN ASSUMPTION OF IGNORANT CHANCE AS THE VERY FOUNDATION AND EXISTENCE OF MATHEMATICS ITSELF. YOU ARE THE ONE RULING OUT ID ON THE BASIS OF ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY OF NON ID. IT IS THE DOGMATISM OF THE NON ID WORSHIPERS THAT ID IS ABSOLUTELY NOT SCIENCE. DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE THAT ID IS NOT AT WORK IN THE ORIGIN OF LIFE, OR ARE YOU JUST GOING TO SPOUT THE SAME CRAPOLA UNTIL EVERYONE WAKES UP? DIDN'T YOU SAY YOU WERE LEAVING 20 PAGES AGO ANYWAY?
The world will seek to nail you down to earth by insisting you think with it. Remember always, that the world - not the Earth, but the world of human experience - is the attempt to create that which is the opposite of reality, like many who gather together to take a drug and think that their insanity is the same as the bliss and ecstasy of union with God. The nails merely represent that which would hold you stuck in a dimension, the horizontal dimension of time, which would nail your feet to the world. "Down to earth", they call it. It is not I who am crucified, but you, my brethren. Forgive yourselves then, for you know not what you do. Can a scientific methodology nail you down to time and space? Perhaps for a little while. But it is impossible to nail down the Son of God for very long. True forgiveness literally releases you from time and space. Do not assume you know what true forgiveness means. Time and space are literally subject to forgiveness, not the other way around. There is literally only time to forgive. Were all to forgive all for all, time and space would literally cease to seem to be. True forgiveness, means you "overlook" the "guilt", to "see past" the illusion...to see the innocence beyond. You see there is literally NO GUILT. You do not have to wait to forgive. You can forgive immediately - or better yet - before anything seems to "happen". It is then a state of mind. In this state of mind, all events are neutral. Then have no meaning but the meaning you give them. When you see there is nothing to "forgive", then you have truly forgiven the whole world for everything. Then you can take yourself down from the "cross" of time-space, for this is the beginning of your resurrection. After all, you can't keep a good God down. You are a "vertical", eternal spirit that cannot die, cannot be pinned down for long. You are free. Peace, Jesus
The world will seek to nail you down to earth by insisting you think with it. Remember always, that the world - not the Earth, but the world of human experience - is the attempt to create that which is the opposite of reality, like many who gather together to take a drug and think that their insanity is the same as the bliss and ecstasy of union with God. The nails merely represent that which would hold you stuck in a dimension, the horizontal dimension of time, which would nail your feet to the world. "Down to earth", they call it. It is not I who am crucified, but you, my brethren! Forgive yourselves then, for you know not what you do. Can a scientific methodology nail you down to time and space? Perhaps for a little while. But it is impossible to nail down the Son of God for very long. True forgiveness literally releases you from time and space. Do not assume you know what true forgiveness means. Time and space are literally subject to forgiveness, not the other way around. There is literally only time to forgive. Were all to forgive all for all, time and space would literally cease to seem to be. True forgiveness, means you "overlook" the "guilt", to "see past" the illusion...to see the innocence beyond. You see there is literally NO GUILT. You do not have to wait to forgive. You can forgive immediately - or better yet - before anything seems to "happen". It is then a state of mind. In this state of mind, all events are neutral. They have no meaning but the meaning you give them. When you see there is nothing to "forgive", then you have truly forgiven the whole world for everything. Then you can take yourself down from the "cross" of time-space, for this is the beginning of your resurrection. After all, you can't keep a good God down. You are a "vertical", eternal spirit that cannot die, cannot be pinned down for long. You are free. Peace, Jesus
I'm not going to refute everyone of z10's nonsenses - they're all just permutations of the same random words (did I say "random?"). It gets tiresome after awhile. However, a couple of gems here cannot be ignored. Guess what? Before sun was a star, it was a dark cloud of dust and ice. Since you can't read long stories, here is one short enough for you to read: http://www.nineplanets.org/origin.html Are you suggesting that the engineers intentionally caused the blackout of 2003? that the "program traders and human emotions" intentionally caused the crash of 1987? Are you some kind of conspiracy theory freak? Really? Why do people have miscarriages? What about genetic diseases? What do you think of homosexuality among dolphins or birds or beetles (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html)? If Mother Nature doesn't make mistakes, what do we need medicines for?