Intelligent Design is not creationism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Teleologist, Nov 4, 2006.

  1. When a child goes through a shift of awareness, they come to a point in their maturation process, not by struggle, not by design, not by much processing, and not by any manner of strategies. The child merely, in an instant looks at the toys he has been playing with and simply transcends them The parents come home and the toy truck and put it away in the closet. The doll is put on the windowsill and a book is picked up instead. Who makes the change? Not anyone outside the child.

    That book is the depth of your consciousness in which all things are already written. And that depth finds it's source in your heart. You enter it through forgiveness, through the process of relinquishing the world - not hating the world, not despising the world, but simply relinquishing it. You allow your time to serve you in the process of relinquishing what does not serve you any longer, and what only disturbs you peace.

    Peace,

    Jesus
     
    #421     Nov 14, 2006
  2. Since I am not a creationist, who exactly are you referring to?

    Now, now TK9.

    You stoop to the "you are not credible because of the number of posts, blah, blah, blah."

    That is pure ad hominem, and I would hope that you know it, other wise you would stay lost and moving in the fallacious circles of dogmatists.

     
    #422     Nov 14, 2006
  3. Since I am not a creationist, who exactly are you referring to?

    Now, now TK9.

    You stoop to the "you are not credible because of the number of posts, blah, blah, blah."

    That is pure ad hominem, and I would hope that you know it, other wise you would stay lost and moving in the fallacious circles of dogmatists attempting to cover up the fact that their thinking is circular and without logical or factual foundation.

     
    #423     Nov 14, 2006
  4. Since I am not a creationist, who exactly are you referring to?

    Now, now TK9.

    You stoop to the "you are not credible because of the number of posts, blah, blah, blah."

    That is pure ad hominem, and I would hope that you know it, other wise you would stay lost and moving in the fallacious circles of dogmatists attempting to cover up the fact that their thinking is circular and without logical or factual foundation.

    Feel free to attack the argument, but as I am not putting credibility as the foundation of the argument, it can be presented by anyone.

    If Miller was saying the exact things I am saying, you probably would think it was brilliant.

    Classic, classic....non thinker response TK9.

     
    #424     Nov 14, 2006
  5. When a child goes through a shift of awareness, they come to a point in their maturation process, not by struggle, not by design, not by much processing, and not by any manner of strategies. The child merely, in an instant looks at the toys he has been playing with and simply transcends them The parents come home and the toy truck and put it away in the closet. The doll is put on the windowsill and a book is picked up instead. Who makes the change? Not anyone outside the child.

    That book is the depth of your consciousness in which all things are already written. And that depth finds it's source in your heart. You enter it through forgiveness, through the process of relinquishing the world - not hating the world, not despising the world, but simply relinquishing it. You allow your time to serve you in the process of relinquishing what does not serve you any longer, and what only disturbs you peace.

    Seek forever and you will remain a seeker forever. In the end of all seeking, you must look into the mirror and decide to be the one who heals yourself. The only question a seeker of truth truly really need ask of him or her self is:

    Would I know conflict or peace? Would I be right or happy?
    Would I see the complete neutrality of events in this world as wisps of a dream being birthed and passing away?

    Would I see myself whole and complete?
    For as I look upon the world, I have judged myself.
    And as I look upon myself, I judge the world.


    This was the simple secret that I once "discovered" when I walked upon your planet. It was not about achieving some grand mystical state of consciousness. It was not about acquiring great powers that could attract the attention of thousands. It was not even about being able to manifest, although these powers may indeed often express themselves through the mind as it awakens.

    It is about accepting the Truth that is true always, and being determined to allow that Truth to be the foundation from which you enjoin each and every moment of your experience.

    Peace,

    Jesus
     
    #425     Nov 14, 2006
  6. Since you are a creator, ceaselessly creating, who exactly are you referring to?

    Jesus
     
    #426     Nov 14, 2006
  7. The more you talk, the more you expose your ignorance.

    Although it is nearly impossible to decode a modern encription using a classical computer (quantum computer is a different matter), it is very easy to show that there are patterns in an encripted message (by a scientist, not a layman, of course).

    Likewise, although it is very hard to know every detail of biological functions, any deviation from pure randomness can be detected.

    You're confusing detecting a pattern with decoding. These are two different things.
     
    #427     Nov 14, 2006
  8. Obviously, you are suffering from an acute case of context deficiency. I hope it clears up soon.

    I did not write that you lacked credibility because of your large number of posts. If you read my previous post again (or perhaps for the first time), then you will see that I wrote that you lack credibility because, for all of the many posts you have written, you have never admitted to making a single mistake in any one of them. Do you see how that works?
     
    #428     Nov 14, 2006
  9. A "true" scientist will say that there is a limit to our present ability to measure the uncertainty of evolutionary change. However, within the limits of our present ability to measure that change, we have determined no pattern. Furthermore, we have demonstrated, via a simple algorithm, that information gain is possible, without the introduction of any external influence other than what we currently measure as uncertainty.

    Give all of the above, we currently conclude that evolutionary change occurs under suitable conditions, without the introduction of any certain influence (design).

    Is it conceivable that an external influence exists? Yes, but it is presently scientifically unmeasurable, THEREFORE, until it can be measured, no external influence exists within the realm of scientific investigation.

    The analogy to the above is that the number PI cannot be measured with certainty. No matter how refined the measurement becomes, no pattern of decimal accuracy has yet appeared.

    So, the scientist states that PI cannot be scientifically measured with perfect accuracy, but for all conceivable practical purposes, PI is measurable within whatever limits reasonably required.

    What the scientist does NOT DO, is say: "Because we cannot yet measure PI with absolute certainty, we will refrain from stating or teaching that circles exist, because it remains merely a theory."

    This is exactly what you're doing, Z. You are saying because we can't exclude the possibility of a pattern in evolution with absolute certainty, that we can't teach evolution as a fact -- instead it must remain a science fiction.

    In your world, circles apparently cannot exist until the pattern behind PI is absolutely excluded -- and evolution does not exist, for the same reason.
     
    #429     Nov 14, 2006
  10. No such "external" influence will be found, for it is all happening on the "inside". There is nowhere to look but within.

    Jesus
     
    #430     Nov 14, 2006