Intelligent Design is not creationism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Teleologist, Nov 4, 2006.

  1. stu

    stu

    or .....in a word....... nature.
     
    #3871     May 3, 2008
  2. stu

    stu

    It's a TrolZzzz definition

    "Nature is complete....."

    means it is not complete.....
    ".....yet limited by the fact that it is not a totality"

    and a definition ....
    ...... just as nature is whole and complete and doesn't need anything else...

    means it is not and needs something else.....
    ..... it is just a power of God, not the totality of God.


    A TrollZZzzz ID/Creationism... Nature+1 = God.
    is naturally followed with....

    God+1 = Gilbert
     
    #3872     May 3, 2008
  3. god + 1 = god and u may call it gilbert if u want... read some cantor...
     
    #3873     May 3, 2008
  4. zizzzo son... choice <=> randomness...
     
    #3874     May 3, 2008
  5. What is "complete"? What is "Nature"? You can define whatever you want.

    According to your definition, your nature is not mine. :D

    You are playing the word game. It doesn't lead to any meaningful discussion.
     
    #3875     May 3, 2008
  6. stu

    stu

    god +1 cannot = god and u may call it god if u want... read some math and some logic
     
    #3876     May 3, 2008
  7. You don't know what complete means?

    You don't know what Nature is? When I say "laws of Nature" you don't know what Nature is in that phrase?

    Yes, I do suspect you have a different nature than mine in some ways. Perhaps not a different nature on a biological level, but on an intellectual level.

    It is interesting that we talk about the laws of Nature easily as they relate to the physical happenings, but we have no established laws of Nature as they relate to the non physical, i.e. the intellectual field, the psychological field, etc. Does this mean that what takes place in the mind is not subject to the laws of Nature? Is there something within the realm of Nature that is not bound by the laws of Nature?

    Seems to me that you are the one playing word games.

     
    #3877     May 3, 2008
  8. You have a definition of God that God can be added to. That there is something outside of God that can be added to God. This suggest that God would have a limit, which could be added to, that God was not complete.

    God by definition is unlimited and has no boundaries. Nothing external, nothing outside of God, everything is within God.

    So where does this +1 that you are adding to God come from?

    It can't come from outside of God, as there is nothing outside of God. It would have to be coming from inside of God. So God takes +1 from inside of Himself, and adds it to Himself, which makes Him no Greater.



    It is impossible to add +1 to God and have that concept be anything other than starting with the definition that God is not complete, and God is limited, and God can be added to.

    That is not the generally accepted concept of God by most thinkers.




     
    #3878     May 3, 2008
  9. If Nature has the same properties as God, it is God.

    If Nature doesn't have the same properties as God, it is not God.

    Most scientists think the universe had a beginning, a time when the universe came into being, when Nature made Her appearance.

    Is there a leading theory that Nature created God?

    A Shakespearean play has three acts. The first act is complete. The second act is complete. The third act is complete. The play is complete.

    The first act is not the play, though it is complete.

    The second act is not the play, though it is complete.

    The third act is not the play, though it is complete.

    The first act is within the play and is complete.
    The second act is within the play and is complete.
    The third act is within the play and is complete.

    God is complete. The first act of God in one of the plays of God is creation of the Universe. The creation of the Universe is complete.

    God is complete. The second act of God
    in the same play is the maintenance of evolution of the Universe. The maintenance and evolution of the Universe is complete.

    God is complete. The third act of God in the same play is the destruction of the Universe. The destruction of the Universe is complete.

    We see complete parts, complete acts which are not the whole, which is also complete.

    Nature as most scientists define Nature is not God as Nature has a beginning and end. Yet Nature is complete.




     
    #3879     May 3, 2008
  10. stu

    stu

    Then by definition there is something God cannot be. God cannot be limited.

    By more definition, there are things God cannot do. He cannot take from outside Himself. He cannot be greater. By definition , God cannot take +1 from outside Itself.

    God IS limited.

    By your own definition, you have shown how God is is not complete, how God is limited, how therefore God can be added to.

    Then perhaps it's time for a re-think.



     
    #3880     May 3, 2008