So you are denying it? Not only did you make it, but you sided with it to make the separation "real". The "big bang" is the symbol of separation, and makes it seem very real. On the level of form it was so tremendous it rendered an unfathomable force of energy. This in turn predetermined all physical laws and the fate of every cell and molecule, how each one would evolve and which direction they would go in. Everything that would seemingly occur was set in motion in that instant, and in fact couldn't really occur in any other way. All the different dimensions and scenarios are simply symbolic of different big bangs within the Big Bang that occured at that same instant. And even though it was all over immediately, you still have to wake up in order to recognize reality. Until then, you suffer under the illusion that you forge your own destiny when the truth is that every physical law was already set in motion at that instant. The mechanism of how the body robots are manipulated by unseen forces is simply a part of the acting out of the pre-determined script. Yet it is a self-predetermined script, as you side with the devil, and not a case of you being a victim. The script is multiple choice, offering the illusion of freedom. But actually it is still slavery because it is still a closed system. Yes, you could make a decision one night and wake up the next morning in a different dimension that looks just like this one, except it had its own big bang boom within the whole shebang of the Big Bang...having it's own variation of the script. So yes, there are several dimensions open to you and you can switch from one dimension to another, but the script is always like a carrot and stick. It tries to suck you into thinking you have freedom within the script when the only real freedom you will ever find is completely outside the whole mess. What you are witnessing here is like a recording, and it's up to you when you want to listen to a different tune. The universe doesn't have to collapse onto itself in order to end. What has to happen is that everyone has to wake up, then the dream universe will simply disappear - because an insignificant dream was all it ever was. To keep you sucked in, the script seems to move faster and faster as time goes on, and your attention span gets shorter and shorter. Until you destroy your civilization and start over again with little memory - like starting a new lifetime. The devil's script is simply all of time, which is already over. The Holy Spirits script is the forgiveness of all the people in your life - no matter where you may appear to be. That's how time disappears. The lessons the Holy Spirit teaches leads to the undoing of time by rendering it unnecessary. This undoing is accomplished at the level of the mind - outside of time - and instead of changing time, collapses it. Evolution and reincarnation are some things that appear to happen within time. They are dreams. Once your mind has learned all its forgiveness lessons, then it awakens to spirit , and everything else is gone except Heaven. This means that the way out of this universe is not "death". The way out is truth. Truth sets you free. "Death" is an illusion in which you see yourself leaving your body and having other adventures. But it is still the same dream. So "birth", like death, is just a continuation of sleeping. That is why children are said to be "born in sin". They represent a sleeping aspect of a fragmented mind that believes in separation and guilt. They've sided with a thought system that makes everything small, weak, and vulnerable. Remember, everything is equally illusory, whether it is as big as a galaxy, or as small as a neutrino - or even if it's civilization destroying itself again. Preoccupations with problems set up to be incapable of solution are favorite devil devices for impeding learning progress...keeping you in its scripts. The middle east is one example. Earth, for another example, was populated by a migration from Mars as that civilization began to destroy itself. So it was an escape from a problem. In all these diversionary tactics, however, the one question that is never asked by those who pursue them is, "What for?" Learn to ask "what for?" in connection with everything. What is the purpose? Whatever it is, it will direct your efforts automatically. If your purpose is a return to wholeness, then forgiveness will automatically direct you to the Atonement. The "masters" that I spoke of are two completely different thought systems. There is a thought system in Heaven, and there is a thought system that builds this universe from the big bang(s) onward. It is an entire thought system built on the single idea of separation. The attempt to serve both results in experiencing the one that serves illusions, because there is not more than one thought system that is real. The thought system of Heaven is built on oneness, wholeness. The separated ones are dividing their allegiances between the thought systems of Heaven and hell, creating conflict in the mind. Faith in the truth will bring peace to such mind, saving it. The truth is, there is no devil, no alternate thought system, and therefore no universe filled with suns, planets and bodies. And you are not here. This truth will bring peace to your mind. But that thought will not bring peace to you while you value the devil and it's "gifts". When I said, "Renounce the world" I meant that what you are seeing does not exist. It's nothing because it's not really there. So I will join you in denying that you made the devil. You only thought you did, and then denied it. So it does not matter and means nothing. The world is neither good nor bad, it is nothing! Make the world meaningless, and you have renounced it as I have advised you long ago. The universe is a symptom that will disappear. The Holy Spirit bridges two mutually unintelligible thought systems, keeping communication lines open between the sleeping mind and reality. Your task is to learn to listen only to His Voice, rather than going back and forth between His reasoning, and the devil's logic. Jesus
Yeah, funny story. It kind of reminds me of creationists trying to tell people that a. something (a Creator) was created by nothing,
....ugh, terrible, even by your standards. "physics tells us, time as we know it, began after the big bang." Physics tells no such thing. Why don't you try to educate yourself a little in what physics does say before making such pathetic remarks about what "physics tells us". Time AT the singularity, not AFTER it. Time couldn't have started AFTER the big bang. There would be no time for the big bang to begin. It's a bit fukin obvious really. "someone or thing who or which created the universe is by definition before time." You mean by the fantasy definition you signed up to. At Time - not before time. There can be no - before "time as we know it" "When you are outside of time there may be know before." While you're at it, it really is way past time for you to get better educated in basic English. How many times have you made that error now ? As many times as you used the word site instead of cite yet? Must be. "Consequently there is no reason the designer would need a designer." Consequently there is no reason for a designer.
I got your deceit, your denial, your lie. When push comes to shove, you adopt the same stance most creationists do . Just deny, deceive or lie your way through any of the stuff shown to you which you don't like the implications of.
Thou quibbles. And quibbling, you endeavor to make time real...and real long. Time is a belief. So too is space. Both are meaningless. Time is a belief in a mind that dreams of it...an interval in which what seems to happen never has occurred. The "changes" wrought by time are substanceless, and all events are nowhere. When the mind awakes, it continues as it always was. The truth is that "God is". This truth returns the mind into the endless present, where the past and future cannot be conceived. The world has never been at all. Eternity remains a constant state. Time you made, and time you can command. You are no more slave to time than to the world you made. A mind that cherishes time is in opposition to the truth. Eternity is one time, its only dimension being "always". Time and eternity are both in your mind, and will conflict until you perceive time solely as a means to regain eternity. The Holy Spirit works with and for your mind, reinterpreting time into the timeless. This requires an open mind willing to learn and be corrected. Each day, and every minute in each day, and every instant that each minute holds, you relive the single instant when the time of terror took the place of love. And so you die each day to live again, until you cross the gap between the past and present, which is not a gap at all. Such is each life...a seeming interval from birth to death and on to life again, a repetition of an instant gone by long ago that cannot be relived. And all of time is but the mad belief that what is over is still here and now. Its all in the mind, or more accurately, a projection of the mind. Behold the great projection, but look on it with the decision that it must be healed, and not with fear. Nothing you made has any power over you unless you still would be apart from your Creator, and with a will opposed to His. Time is the reliving of that first instant when we thought we had separated ourselves from God. In every instant you have the ability to change your mind about your reality: the Father and the Son are one. Time is an instant within an instant within and instant. It is holographic. For each instant there is a "big bang" singularity beginning yet another scenario in which the theme of separation is played out. The great projection of time and space is just like a movie - a very intense movie. The question is, who are you going to watch the movie with? You can watch this movie with the devil and listen to its interpretation of the movie. Or you can watch it with the Holy Spirit and listen to Its interpretation. Your experience is that you are watching it here, but you are not here. You're watching it on a higher level, and your experience is that you are in a body watching it here. Not only that, but you are watching something that's already happened - like watching a rerun on television that you've repressed or forgotten. The time when the mind that dreams of time wakes up is set. The dreamweaver's paths seem to be arbitrary. Yet there is no step in the road that anyone takes by chance. Every step has already been taken by every journeyer, although he has not yet embarked on the journey. For time seems to go in one direction. Those of us who journey home undertake a journey that is already over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us. Time is a trick, a sleight of hand, a vast illusion in which figures come and go as if by magic. Yet there is a plan behind appearances that does not change. The script is written. On the journey home, you will have experience that will end your doubting. The time for that experience is set. Forgiveness, taught and learned, brings with it experiences which bear witness that the time the mind itself determined to abandon all but timelessness is at hand. Eternity is a constant state. Whatever time the mind has set for revelation is entirely irrelevant to what must be a constant state. For oneness must be here now. Therefore you are determining, from a point where time was ended, when your mind is released to the experience of revelation and eternity. The ending must remain obscure to you - the time traveler - until your part in releasing the mind from time is done. Shakespeare put it this way: "All the world is a stage, and we are merely players". So you have work to do to play your part. It does not matter that the ending is obscure to you. For your part is still what all the rest depends on. As you take the role assigned to you, salvation comes a little nearer each uncertain heart that does not beat as yet in tune with God. Therefore, choose once again if you would take your place among the saviors of the world, or would remain in hell, and hold your brothers there. Jesus
An underlined breakdown of you(r) argument skills... Too freaking funny stewey, self righteous indignant atheists are a crack up...
That's that then. The ID/creationists argument resting on nothing more than vague unfounded suspicions propped by deceit denial or lies, a hippy, and TrollZzz. Brilliant. I can understand why so many others lost interest in trying to discuss anything with such loons.