Check back in this thread - at one point, after we had pointed this out repeatedly, Zeleologist took the leap and claimed publicly that he had empirical proof of design. The whole thread came to a standstill and all of us on the side of reason said 'Wow, really? If that is true, then all our arguments will be shot to hell. Please, we beg of you, provide us with the relevant citation'. Guess what Zeleologist did next? First, he simply said 'Nope, I'm not going to give it to you guys". Then he said 'If I gave it to you guys, you would just mock me, so I am not going to share it'. Then, under intense pressure, he claimed to have never said it, even though his claim was already a part of the permanent record!!! Fascinating, isn't it? A profound ability to self-deceive. One wonders if there's any part of their brains that recognizes even their own truth.
The reason "creationists" are behind ID is because it makes their preferred world real. Creationism, then, is about making real what is really just a dream. For if God made it, it must be real. "Intelligent design" accomplishes the same purpose for those who place faith in illusions...to make them real. Do not underestimate the power of this spell. For you have fallen for the designs of the design. You believe this world is real. You believe bodies - separation devices - are real. You believe in separation, because all you can see is separate. You are literally seeing what you believe! The design does not care whether you think it a "god" or an amoeba; it does not care if you see design, non-design, or no non-design...as long as you think it real! Thus, it has beaten all minds into submission, both the "believers" and the "atheists". They are both equal in death. When a power equal to God's is intent upon self-deception, buckle your seat-belt. You are in for a ride. Jesus
some guidance here: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1436755&highlight=wedge#post1436755
Which "intelligent design" should we impose on students? How do we decide which is the true INTELLIGENT DESIGN ?! http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/
No one here is suggesting that Intelligent Design be imposed on students. But if students inquire about intelligent design, here is a good definition: Intelligent Design--a teleological position that affirms recognition and empirical detectability of real design in the abiotic and/or biotic realms.
How about the Kansas school board? http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/15/s...tml?ex=1185249600&en=06b82e62dea16b18&ei=5070
Kansas School Board is not here. Hellofasociety that wants to prevent public school students from analysis and evaluation of competitive theories... Fearful fundamentalist dogmatic thinking comes in many flavors...even when the prevailing religion is Darwinism...
We don't impose anything on students, we offer them a chance to learn different things...and then allow them to make up their own minds what to believe.
Yes, I also want students to learn about my belief system. It's called GC, the Green Cheesian theory. It postulates that the moon is made of green cheese. I want to remake society in a manner 'more consistent with [my Green Cheesian] theistic ideals'. Therefore, I demand that GC theory be taught in schools alongside traditional (that is, scientifically developed) celestial geography. What's that? Do I have one shred of proof for my theory? Is there on iota of proof that would even begin to indicate that my belief has any basis in fact, any supporting evidence whatsoever? Is there any indication that this belief on my part is anything other than a purely faith-based dream? No, there is not. But so what? It is enough that I assert that it is true. If you cannot prove that it is not true, then it must be taken as truth. Any attempt to debunk any assertion that I care to make is discriminatory. Fascinating how the faith mongers (typically far right types) have taken a page out of the the radical left's play book! Surprising except from that most disgusting leftist, the Disgusting Troll.