Intelligent Design is not creationism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Teleologist, Nov 4, 2006.

  1. jem

    jem

    You are so argumentative yet so wrong again and again. Why would assert something so easily refuted.

    here is one of dozens of similar quotes


    Leonard Susskind is the Felix Bloch professor of theoretical physics at Stanford University in the field of string theory and quantum field theory. Susskind is widely regarded as the father of string theory for his early contributions to the String Theory model of particle physics.[1]

    from wikipedia -

    The only point you could have made as i told you before is that there are a few other scientists sometimes cited as cofounders.

    To engage in debates like these...
    You must be an intellectual masochist.





    The rest of your crap is just as ill informed.

    good science is not declared by you.

    You are not even qualified tor eview one of their footnotes. (this may be an exaggeration)


     
    #2711     May 23, 2007
  2. stu

    stu

    Well here you go Quote Boy a Quote just for you....



    "Father of String Theory

    GABRIELE VENEZIANO, a theoretical physicist at CERN, was the father of string theory in the late 1960s--an accomplishment for which he received this year's Heineman Prize of the American Physical Society and the American Institute of Physics. At the time, the theory was regarded as a failure; it did not achieve its goal of explaining the atomic nucleus, and Veneziano soon shifted his attention to quantum chromodynamics, to which he made major contributions. After string theory made its comeback as a theory of gravity in the 1980s, Veneziano became one of the first physicists to apply it to black holes and cosmology.[1]

    Susskind's 'father of string theory' claim is nothing but a marketing gimic associated with his book. People working in theoretical physics who know the history know there are several people more deserving of that title. Susskind's trolls or bots can keep trying to hide this all they want, but the truth will keep coming back.--GaeusOctavius 16:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

    Gabriele Vaneziano's theory is a model of quark interaction not string. Susskind discovered that the euler beta function in the Vaneziano model can be viewed as the potential energy function of a vibrating string, so he suggested that 2 interacting quarks are just end-points of a single string. 65.95.41.136 01:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)"


    from wikipedia -

    see that Quote Boy?... from one of your own fav places of quotes
    tut tut. , so quite obviously it is you who is wrong. I suggest do your research more thoroughly in future


    stop embarrasing yourself for christs sakes
     
    #2712     May 23, 2007
  3. jem

    jem

    You just misrepresented wikipedia by omitting the word "one". You have no honor.


    Gabriele Veneziano
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    Gabriele Veneziano (b. 1942) is a theoretical physicist and one of the fathers of string theory. Of Italian origin, he was born in 1942 in Florence. While he worked at CERN in 1968, he discovered that the Euler Beta function used as a scattering amplitude, the so-called Veneziano amplitude, has many features that are useful to explain physical properties of strongly interacting particles. Nowadays, this amplitude is interpreted as the scattering amplitude for four open string tachyons. ...


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriele_Veneziano
     
    #2713     May 23, 2007
  4. jem

    jem

     
    #2714     May 23, 2007
  5. so many fathers...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoichiro_Nambu
    Yoichiro Nambu (1921–) is a Japanese-born American physicist. He is famous for having proposed the "color charge" of quantum chromodynamics, for having done early work on spontaneous symmetry breaking in particle physics, and for having discovered that the dual resonance model could be explained as a quantum mechanical theory of strings. (Thus, he is accounted one of the founders of string theory.) He has won numerous honors and awards including the J. Robert Oppenheimer Prize, the U.S.'s National Medal of Science, Japan's Order of Culture, the Planck Medal, the Wolf Prize, the Franklin Medal, the Dirac Medal and the Sakurai Prize.

    Nambu became a professor of physics at Osaka City University in 1950. He is now a professor emeritus at the University of Chicago.

    The Nambu-Goto action in string theory is named after Nambu and Tetsuo Goto. Also, massless bosons arising in field theories with spontaneous symmetry breaking are sometimes referred to as Nambu-Goldstone bosons.
     
    #2715     May 23, 2007
  6. jem

    jem

    Exactly. I noted that you could consider Susskind one of the fathers.
     
    #2716     May 23, 2007
  7. as you may remember there is yet another one, who writes books you too would find interesting

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku
    Dr. Michio Kaku (born January 24, 1947 in the United States) is a Japanese American theoretical physicist, tenured professor, and co-founder of string field theory, a branch of superstring theory. He is a widely known popularizer of science, the host of two radio programs, and the author of numerous books.

    although to be a founder / father of string field theory doesn't equate being a founder / father of string theory.... just all these guys had been working together on the same stuff for years... one morning one of them wakes up with a breakthru here, the next morning a week after its the other guy, etc etc...
     
    #2717     May 23, 2007
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  9. stu

    stu

    Have you never heard the phrase Look before you leap You already missed the word "one", don't try to blame that on me it won't work. Dishonor is at your own door, it's easy to see why..
    So it's not "one" of the founders as far as you are concerned .

    But then after declaring those, "one" of your sheer dishonesties as usual can be seen to creep its way forward in trying to cover up your own lack of honor after 2cents confirms multiple string theorists ...
    Are you so blinded by a creationist fervor that you don't even realize you are doing that?

    I didn't miss the word 'one' because the Quote you rushed off to find, grab and use is not the one I used . The Quote I used was directly off the wikipedia file you used.

    Which was all intended to show how unsound it all is - the way you rely on Quotes selectively chosen, out of place, out of context, as snippets which sound like they support some groundless reason mangling argument for ID/creationism .

    Here's one "quote" which makes all those selectively gathered "Quotes" of Susskind, no doubt found in one convenient creationist website or other, worthless as a ploy to support ID
    The "Father /Founder / and great mind of science " Susskind , whom you consider worthy of those accolades when you think they support your notion, makes this quote....

    "The Cosmic Landscape: String Theory and the Illusion of Intelligent Design"
    ...the ILLUSION of Intelligent Design!!??

    So how come you do not choose that when quoting Susskind’s. ??

    or this....
    • "Darwin and Wallace set a standard not only for the life sciences but for cosmology as well. The laws that govern the falling of stones , the chemistry and nuclear physics of the elements and the physics of elementary particles. They freed us from the supernatural by showing complex and even intelligent life could arise from chance, competition and natural causes." Leonard Susskind
    Don’t forget now, he is after all - to quote the words you use to describe him yourself - "Father /Founder / and great mind of science "
     
    #2719     May 24, 2007
  10. jem

    jem

    I started reading it, I look forward to finishing it. thank you
     
    #2720     May 24, 2007