Concepts come from human mind... Doh! In addition, those who assert concepts, as Darwinists do, have the burden of proof on them... Doh! So, you prove random... Oh, and ignorance of pattern is not proof... Rule out the possibility both factually and logically of designed "non random" patterns that gives rise to change in biological organisms... Hell, show some mathematical formula that proves what is observed is necessary random... If you want to revise the theory and say factually "Heck, we don't really know why these things happen, or if there is a pattern, we just can't see one" that would at least be more honest.
except they are not making anything close to such a statement... and you know shit about what you are talking about, as established in the other thread... fishing for weak minds to 'convert', young preacher??
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b621a671921.htm Come to Darwin, Anti-Design Group Launches a Public Relations Campaign John Mark Reynolds It includes a card game, interactive software, a high-tech web site, and a seven-part television series. It is earnest. Very, very earnest. Today, I got to go to the public birth of PBS Evolution. Richard Hutton, the producer, crows that the films are ³Masterpiece Theater meets Nova.² That seems about right. Viewers should look forward to the artistic pretentiousness of the worst of Masterpiece Theater combined with the thrilling drama of a science program on the life of the artichoke. At least if the press conference is any indication. Imagine video done by the sort of humorless people who know how Important their Project is. The very Future of the Planet depends on their Mission. But it will not be simple. The Project has enemies. Bad or misinformed people have been deceived about Science. The Producers of this video are courageously going to take a stand. Offensive? Perhaps. It might cost PBS all its cachet at Liberty University, but they are not going to take it any more. Gripping television, this is not. So why not ignore it? Sadly, like many sincere and good people they are spiteful, in a petty way. It is open season on religious people who do not fit their definition of ³good religion.² Their opponents are all simple minded, confused, young, or wicked. They sell the program on the controversy that exists. The press conference implied there is controversy only because some people are ill informed. This might be the one virtue of the series as television. It is easy to be offensive. It is easy to be dull. This series manages the much more difficult task of being both offensive and dull. The press conference did have a surfeit of one element found in both of its video ancestors: it was sincere. However, this is also its chief video draw back. Sincere cannot be irreverent and this is the Age of Irreverence. The Great Pumpkin might pick their video pumpkin patch, but is hard to imagine the average post-modern student sitting through a series controlled by nineteen fifties ³gee whiz² scientism. The press conference seemed vaguely aware of this problem. The room in which the press conference was held was decorated with large plush apes and ³Survivor-style² vines and ropes. We got a copy of the Origin, a card game, and lots of color. Golly. Anyone who ever endured a class with a teacher who wanted to show that "science is cool" gets the point. This was "naturalism is cool and religion is o.k. too." Introduced by a former aide to Dick Gephardt, the Evolution project was top bill at the Public Broadcasting press tour. Four activists came to launch their cause on the American public. And what an American public it must be. Evolution is the ³bedrock of all Biology.² It ³remains essential to understanding the nature of life on our planet and ourselves, especially in an age when environmental, agricultural, and health issues dominate world headlines.² In fact, ³Evolution happens all around us- in our bodies, in our backyards, and on our grocery shelves.² Who could doubt such a thing? Who would want to do so? Right thinking people believe in evolution. But shockingly, so many people are misinformed. Richard Hutton, the producer of the series, wants to inform people. He is on a mission to help the American public. As Jane Goodall pointed out, American failure to embrace Darwinism may destroy us all. This is not just about science, this is about the survival of the human race. All of this was done with the sort of straight-faced, pompous, delivery of Captain Kirk reminding the Enterprise crew of why man is in space. Breathlessly, with pauses for effect, the audience was told that everything was on the line. This is Important Stuff. Sadly, some people are opposed to this idea. They are fearful people. Teachers might have to help confused students. This might cause controversy, but so be it. Some people just do not get it. Who are these people? Scott informed the meeting quickly that they are people who just do not understand science. They are confused, ill informed, or part of small religious groups. In particular, religious protestants, who according to the clip shown at the press conference have funny beards and go to artistically challenged churches, oppose Darwinism. They seem to oppose the ³joy² that Jane Goodall finds in being ³part of nature² and not separate from it. They sing hymns about their non-belief. It is all too shocking for words, but the series must be fair and show these people and their points of view. Is this religion bashing? The ³right sort² of religious people need not worry. Opponents of Darwinism are not ³main-stream² religious. The good religious people long ago ³made their peace with Darwinism.² At least that is what Evolution ³national spokesperson² Eugenie Scott told the press conference. Scott should know since she runs a political think tank that does nothing, but oppose any point of view different from that found on the series. More to the point, it seems they are American. Dr. James Moore, a Darwin biographer, claimed several times that in England criticisms of Darwin just do not happen. But then when questioned about his own religious viewpoint, he also pointed out that Briton¹s don¹t discuss sex and religion in public. He was offended that anyone would ask about his own point of view. Shocking. Colonial. Bad taste. The questions from the press mostly followed this line. A few were puzzled by the obsession of the series producers with Christians. Where were the other religions? The organizers sighed and pointed out that almost all the benighted were Christians. Goodall plugged Eastern religion and everyone felt much better. In fact, the room was full of people who accepted the dualism. There are silly people who doubt Darwinism. Public Television should help such people. How could reporters help the helpers? It was confused college students and uber-fundamentalist Ken Ham against science and mainstream religion. What press reporter was going to war for Ken Ham? I
Of course they are making that statement. Random mutation is the cornerstone of the Darwinist theory and offshoots... We have this extremely ordered universe of physics, but suddenly as if by whimsy, biological organisms experience a so called random mutation. It is simply not known the how and why organisms change, beyond observance that they do change with no discernible pattern. No discernible pattern doesn't mean a pattern doesn't not in fact exist, and that the currently undiscernible situation is not by design. The weak minds are those who accept scientific dogma without even questioning is properly... Truly amazing how locked in the box thinking is that comes from those who promote "science."
simply cause its not, compelling... as in, not a iota... here are some minutes of yr stanford symposium btw... http://www.wisdomportal.com/Stanford/UniverseOrMultiverse.html u telling KJ to study up on recent science???
Z, you havent actually read any of darwins work, have you? Next up, z provides a convenient out of context quote to support his assertions, after furiously searching for one. Or calls someone names, or resorts to childish ad-hominem.
or that there are billions and billions of galaxies in the observable universe, which we now believe makes up no more than 5% of the observable energy/matter sum total of this same "observable" universe, while knowing next to shit all about the 95% dark matter/dark energy component, dark galaxies etc and their 'governing' laws if any... and btw, Susskind is no extreme authority, no more than Weinberg, Kaku, Smolin, Yau, Yang etc etc...
Evidently, you most certainly haven't, or you would never have made this ridiculous claim. Zzzzzzz (yes, there is a huge difference between evolution and Darwinism...evolution is an observed biological process...Darwinism is an imagination of the mind of man) zzzzz Darwin was the first person to record actual observation, as it applies to modern naturalism, in the context of ANY truly observant study of nature. Its obvious why this is such a hot topic for Z, because trolls have never been observed to evolve, at all.