bhumburg posted Entry 2971 on March 9, 2007 08:44 PM. ..."Anytime you see comparative medicine, or comparative biochemistry, or comparative pharmacology, or anything comparative, that is evolutionary theory."... ..." But if you can know the reasons ["Darwinian Science"] why the standard of care is the way it is, why on Earth would you limit yourself by choosing to not know it? ".... ..." MCAT is required to get into medical school and, according to the people who make the test, the MCAT in part tests oneâs comprehension of evolution. "... Tele, still after all this time you keep struggling to make a teleological argument sound plausible by dissing Darwin. Even if Evolution were as crap as you would have it be, that would not make teleology any the more likely or interesting. It's obvious to anyone who cares that Darwin is invaluable when it comes to providing facts and explaintion around testable observations about the living world around us. The understanding of this has confirmed, expanded and progressed medical science beyond all hopes and dreams from the day Origin of the Species was first written down. It always will provide an extraordinary insight into all of life sciences. Trying to argue right is wrong as you do, is saying more against your argument than anything for it.
grasping at straws big time... reverse engineering has nothing to do whatsoever with a design inference... what a sick mind this Egnor dude... its a small miracle in itself that guys like that manage to graduate in anything other than religious studies...
Stu wrote: Nonsense. Darwinism hasn't contributed anything to advance medical science. Dr. Egnor succinctly points this out:
2 cents wrote: Reverse engineering is fundamentally a design perspective. Even an atheist like Michael Ruse recognizes this: Imagine the following scenario. In the future, space travelers land on a sterile planet to colonize it. Upon mapping the planet, they find a strange conglomeration of parts which is quite different from the natural surroundings. Upon analysis, it is determined that this conglomeration is actually a machine that does something. From here, some of our colonists infer the machine is a product of an unknown alien intelligence. But other colonists pooh-pooh this claim and insist they need to determine how the planet's geology spawned this machine-like thing. So two camps emerge. One camp sets out to figure out how geology spawned the machine. They are baffled, and the more they learn about the machine and the planet, the more baffled they become. The other camp decides to reverse engineer the machine. They try to figure out what makes it tick so they can copy basic design principles and employ the technology in other areas. This camp makes tremendous progress as it builds on the design inference. After all, if the machine represents superior design, the colonists have much the learn from it. As we turn from scenarios to reality, biology does indeed work by reverse engineering things to determine the internal logic of any system. Such insights are then used to develop biotechnology and eventually nanotechnology. Biology, with its reliance on teleological concepts and language pays tribute to ID each and every day. But it is not tribute paid with words, it is tribute paid with deeds.
doesn't matter who you're quoting, even if its the pope... reverse engineering has nothing to do with a design inference and your Egnor is clearly a sick mind... thks for keeping me entertained
Dr Egnor is indeed being succinct. Succinct in his description of how to demonstrate a sheer disregard for knowledge gained. Knowledge which he doesn't hold, but which enables him to be in a position to use terms like..." microbiology, molecular biology, pharmacology, and statistical methods in population biology" in the first place. Without the application of Darwinian Science, those studies wouldn't be in any shape worth referring to., or indeed may not even exist.. His argument is on the lines of ... ' human beings are vulnerable to bacterial disease. I do not need to know how they are vulnerable...they just are' He is blatantly ignoring the fact that someone else did bother to understand how humans become vulnerable, and how bacteria reacts and evolves to overcome medicinal treatment. Dr Edgor realizes that only a currently known-of medicine need be prescribed for disease. He has no idea how it was first developed using evolutionary theory by necessity. or in what way new products should be. Or how a disease might react to a medicine, or how bacteria may further alter or adapt by evolutionary processes to counter a doctors treatment into being useless, or perhaps even rendering the medicine a dangerous toxin.. Well done Dr Egnor. For some brainless reason, he will deny the very foundations of medicinal practice, and his own trade, along with a practical working knowledge supplied through Darwin , which sensibly explains the reasons behind why medicine works or doesn't work. And to do so only in order to defend a totally unreasonable extremist fundamentalist right wing evangelical misguided nonsensical grudge being held against Charles Darwin. You are no better for quoting that kind of idiocy. Behind your arrogant dismissals of vital scientific evolutionary knowledge, you must be hoping as must Dr Egnor , that whatever infection corrupted your respective thinking processes, it does not spread to those who know how to use essential Darwinian Sciences in the continuance and further development of medicines. Otherwise you both may pay a very heavy cost and at the same time condemn countless numbers of others to misery and death through your succinctly unintelligent ideas driven by nothing more than religious politics..
Stu wrote: Wow! I can't believe you said that. Let's see you back up your bold claim. What knowledge has Darwinism contributed to microbiology, molecular biology, and the treatment of infectious diseases?