Nothing can be without God. One can label themselves and others, and think to be without. But this can only be children playing under a blanket, in their parents home, pretending to be without their parents. Anything outside of God must be imagined. Here is your quandary: The imagination of a mind equal to God is many times more crafty than your body-brain apparatus. Birth is evidence of this craftiness. Shapeshifting is it's trademark. A baby is mind shapeshifted into helplessness. All form is a symbol. Behind the symbols are ideas. The ideas behind all form are not valid. A baby is the invalid idea of a state of being without God. Separation from the mothers womb is symbolic of leaving Heaven, to imagine what is without Heaven. Babies do not come out peacefully. They are kicking and screaming. Already they are slapped and frightened. These are symbols. A symbol cannot "be" anything. It can only represent some idea. The growth of a baby into a man is symbolic of the idea that it is possible to leave Heaven and adjust to a new reality without God. Aging symbolizes proof that what comes from Heaven can change. Death proves it can be killed. All of these symbols are opposite of reality and are therefore meaningless. They all symbolize atheism or schism one way or another. Why believe in them? Jesus
Hi Teleologist You mentioned that you inferred that the first cells were the product of intelligent design, and that you had empirical data which supported that inference. Could you provide a link to that data? Thanks Nik
This is like the question, which came first, the chicken or the egg? They were both made simultaneously, along with the rest of the universe. Within the illusion of the universe, they appear to be separate, even though they are not. They appear to be separated by space and time. Both space and time are illusions founded on the sands of belief. Brother, you are in a "matrix". Everything is designed to deceive you. Your questions are scripted. If you realized how controlled you are, you would vomit. So you are afraid to look. All forms of attack are in the script. You have no choice but to drop your weapons and all your defenses. This is the only choice that is not scripted. Can you really ask the matrix how to escape? If so, you must desire to remain. Jesus
Gee, how ignorant can you be? Without the knowledge of evolution, a doctor is blind in the treatment. You might as well write the death sentence for the patient. Here is a random example: http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=14721329 ＂The development of antiretroviral drug resistance is a major threat to the effective treatment of human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) infection. Drug treatment failure is associated with accumulation of drug resistance mutations and the evolution of drug resistance. Studies from microbial systems provide evidence for a correlation between drug resistance development and increased pathogen mutation rates. Recent studies with HIV-1 have shown that drugs targeted against reverse transcriptase (RT) as well as drug-resistant RT can increase HIV-1 mutation frequencies. Furthermore, combinations of drug and drug-resistant RT have been found to increase virus mutation frequencies in a multiplicative manner. The correlation of increased HIV-1 mutation rates with the evolution of antiretroviral drug resistance indicates that drug failure could increase the likelihood of further resistance evolving from subsequent drug regimens." The drug combination for treating the HIV needs to be changed as the virus develops the resistance. Any doctor that ignores the evolution is putting patient's life at risk.
Again, complete nonsense. All a doctor has to do is read the results of studies to effectively prescribe medicine to patients once he has diagnosed the illness. Then he has to monitor the patient to see what the effect of the treatment is on that patient, and modify or continue the treatment depending on the results of the treatment on the patient. Geez, how ignorant you are coming off. A good doctor's personal beliefs pro or con evolutionary theory should have zero impact on his ability to practice medicine properly. You sound just like some kind of zealot. Medicine is a science based on empirical data, right? Not on speculative theory, right? That data of results on drugs being applied as medicine (pharmaceuticals) comes in the form of testing of pharmaceuticals, right? Testing these drugs even before they get approval to be prescribed by a doctor takes years and years. Then, once they are finally approved, the doctors still have to pay attention to the side effects or combinations of drugs, continue to read the current and leading research on the effectiveness of drugs on certain diseases. None of which has anything to do at all with the doctor's personal belief system in evolution or non evolution. I really can't believe you are trying to make such a ridiculous argument. Thinks how foolish your argument is. Imagine a scenario where a patient dies and the family tries to sue the doctor for malpractice simply because the doctor did not believe in evolutionary theory...yet the doctor followed every single medical protocol as outlined for treatment as approved by the AMA and all regulatory agencies.
mate... am on a biz trip and just going thru this since its hitting my inbox... what do u do for a living again???
You're probably the only person on this forum who didn't get the point. It went right over your head. A doctor who follows every single medical protocol, but who doesn't understand evolution, is certainly safe from malpractice suits. But his patients' death rate will be quite a bit higher than average. Go ahead, choose this doctor over others. When you die, your family won't even be able to sue him. BTW, most of the studies on HIV (or TB, or a number of other infectious diseases) talk about evolution. I guess your doctor would simply ignore these studies since he doesn't "believe in evolution."