regardless... u guys have seen this, right? http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/SEM696HHZTD_0.html who says intelligence is required for "life" to emerge... there are self-organizing systems a-plenty...whats so spectacular in having 1 out of trillions being self-replicating... if 1 then many then trillions... then some of them assemble and crowd out weaker ones... 1 such contruct, then many then trillions... etc etc... all of which needing to rely on causal-enough type environment... since the frame matters as much as what's being "framed"... anyhow... enjoy the descent on Titan ;-) http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/SEMKVQOFGLE_1.html
Teleologist asks, "why is it important to know what I believe?" Well, because you're making an extraordinary claim without any empirical evidence to back it up. So, we... I'd like to know what prompts this "hunch" that life on Earth is designed. You try to mask this "hunch" as a scientific hypothesis. But you've gone further than a mere hypothesis. A mere scientific hypothesis would be, "life appears to be a function of design." You've gone way past that and state that life not only appears designed but was designed by an alien intelligence. That's not science unless of course you can prove both premises. 1. Life appears to be designed. 2. Life appears to be designed by an Alien intelligence. And that begs the question: 3. Something appears to have designed the Alien Intelligence that is responsible for the design for life on Earth. Which of course begs the question, "who is the ultimate designer?" Anyway, it's patently obvious that you have some cultish religious views which guide your so called "hypothesis." Trying to mask that for fear that your arguments will be discredited upon revelation makes you appear all the more disengenous. Come clean. It won't matter in the end what people might think of you if you can prove your case with other than circular reasoning.
Yes, of course the ultimate question is begged, but science continually throws shit against the wall in never ending theories while having no clue about any sort of ultimate conclusions or ultimate evidence. Can you even see at all where your argument below fails? Imagine scientists or natural human observation being forced to remain mute until the ultimate is known first. Clearly lacking knowledge of the ultimate does not stop scientist from their guesswork, not does does the lack of knowledge of the ultimate keep people from accepting unprovable scientific theories to be true. So silly, I can't really believe you try to employ such a fallacious thought process in trying to rule out that what appears to be designed may well be designed... Unless you can point to some native human intelligence (not alien) that has demonstrated the capability of designing life as we know it, it is natural to assume such intelligence that could create life from nothing would of course be "alien" to human beings. Nary a single reasonable educated and developed human being on earth would expect a pre schooler to begin to understand Einstein's theories, yet the top scientists and thinkers, who cannot even catch a fly with their bare hands, should be able to recognize an intelligence that could create something from nothing, life from nothing, living energy from nothing? What is patently obvious is that the assumption of ignorant chance as a given is just as circular in nature as you claim design theory is. Humanism and ignorant chance is the very best that atheistic humans can come up with? Heaven help us then...
what IS silly is saying: ahhh... but it may well be designed after all... let's teach that in schools as part of "science"-type classes... in any case, i already know that your brains are out of reach for this, if not simply dysfunctional... you have little notional understanding of what the scientific approach is really about... if not delivering pizzas, you might be an ok programmer somewhere and trading a few stocks on the side, dunno duncare... fact is, you are irrelevant as far as science is concerned, therefore not a worry what you think...
Who the fuck needs it? The only evidence you require, is that humankind is crap, a verifiable and known certain, negating any possible logical existence of any enlightened, benevolent, or worthy creator, or designer. If their was an "intelligent designer", then they STILL had shit for brains, and most certainly do not deserve any variety of worship or wonder, whether they DID create or,intelligently design stuff or not.
More arguments from ignorance from the so called scientific community... Not to mention all or nothing thinking regarding human beings... Humankind is crap? You must be speaking of your own existence... So you are crap pontificating on what a worthy creator would be... ROTFLMAO...
I vote to teach neither non design or design, but since non design is taught, it only seems fair that design also be taught as an alternative. After all, we wouldn't want to indoctrinate the poor children into only one narrow possibility... Oh, and your personal attacks, again par for the course of a beaten man...
personal attacks??? sorry, is that how facts feel to you?... not that i am surprised in any way... met a lot of brick walls in my life and i know there'll always be more... THAT's par for the course what do you know about science, o thee design-victim? ...u see, you can try to hide your lack of depth behind some poorly-understood vedantic varnish all u like, and i don't mind believing you've attended a few yoga classes and thats how you acquired some familiarity with the lingo... but that doesn't make the attempt any less pathetic... keep going