the debate should be: does the universe appear designed? answer -- according to some (not all) scientists there is an appearance of design.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/15/science/15PHYS.html?ex=1171429200&en=b3545c3a8d72b42e&ei=5070 "Cosmic Laws Like Speed of Light Might Be Changing, a Study Finds"
It appears designed to anyone who observes it. There is no debate there. The question is, does the appearance of design imply existence of design.
No no no. Who's on first. What's on second. And stu is on third. Now you've got it reversed, attempting to put Gilbert + 1 in God's place. If you do this you will lose. Do the math again: God = Gilbert (true) God = Gilbert + 1 (false) Gilbert = Gilbert + 1 (false) Gilbert + 1 = Gilbert (false) Gilbert = Gilbert - 1 (false) God +1 = Gilbert (false) God = Gilbert - 1 (false) Gilbert = God (true) All I did was subtract "+ 1" (ie. I am my own maker, I am greater...etc. ) from both sides of a false equation, and applied basic algebra. Now Gilbert is one brick short of a full load. That's scary. But that's ultimately false. God remains unchanged. Jesus
Amazing the pretender doesn't know that the algebra of finite numbers shouldn't apply to God. Here is a question for you: when does the equality G+1=G hold?
mmmhhh... deep sleep hey?... well, to each his own, i don't want to belittle your interpretation, nor your attempt at rendering it in words, its no easy task... just one thing, if you stand by your above description, your tao seems to be deeply rooted in hinduism, not buddhism... buddhism and "soul(s)" don't mix well at all as you may know http://www.enotalone.com/article/4090.html ... and "god(s)" have fundamentally different statuses to what they have in hinduism, jainism etc... also there are subtle but fundamental differences between Moksha and Buddhist Nirvana good effort nonetheless... are you familiar with vibhajjavaada? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibhajjavada
You were butchering Buddhism. It was easier to treat it as gibberish. But since you wanted to expose how ignorant you are... The "Liberation" is not one. There are at least three different types of "Liberation." First is the liberation of living beings. If you see someone preparing to slaughter a pig, you buy it and set it free. That will show your compassion and build your "karma." The second is liberation of "souls." There are people who die unnatural deaths (victims of murders or accidents). They are not willing to leave this world and meet their rebirths. So they stick around as "souls" (like in the movie "ghost"). But they cause troubles for living people. So they need to be persuaded to leave. This task cannot be done by an average person. It's only accomplished by people with a lot of "karma." Usually a monk. The third is to liberate oneself out of the birth and death cycle. Most people are not able to do this. It is believed only people with great virtues or have done great sacrifices can do this ("reaching the Western Pure Land"). Nirvana is believed to be outside of the realm of existence. Therefore it should be viewed as a goal for perpetual effort but could never be reached. Sort of like the infinity. There may be inaccuracies in my description because I do not remember everything - Buddhism was a very boring class to learn. But this is enough to show how superficial z10's copying and pasting is. BTW, one of the first teachings in Buddhism is "what is eternal is change." Buddhism doesn't believe that there is anything the never changes.
Only one liberation really matters, the final one. The others you mention are bondages. "BTW, one of the first teachings in Buddhism is "what is eternal is change." Please show me anywhere that the state of Nirvana changes...Nirvana is beyond the eternally changing nature of this world...that is the point... The point of liberation is to be away from the eternal changing nature of this world, eternally away from the world of suffering and dualism. Now, Hinduism has many different Mokshas, of which Nirvana is only one, and which is the lowest level of liberations available, as there is a complete loss of personal identity and in essence is a state of sleeping forever as there is no identify to experience anything at all. It is total loss of identity, like a drop of water falling into the ocean where the drop loses its identity as a drop upon merging with the ocean. Those who have achieved liberation live out their years with a mind impregnated with Absolute peacefulness, but upon leaving their body, their identity is gone forever. Those who enjoy and are firmly attached to the cycle of birth and death, would of course find a path out of the cycle "boring." Buddhism may have been boring to you but that doesn't mean it is boring to those who practice it. You are the expert on Buddhism to know who is butchering what? It is just amazing to me how atheists think they know about the truth of religions they don't even practice... There is an old proverb in India: "Knowledge in the books, stays in the books" ____________ Oh, and one last thing, I wonder if you even realize how illogical these two statements are when taken together: 1. You were butchering Buddhism. 2. But this is enough to show how superficial z10's copying and pasting is. So I am copying and pasting butchered Buddhism? Really too funny...
When? In time only. This gives it time to cease holding belief. There is an attempt to prove it true...in time. And there is time to prove it untrue. This world is the experience of faith in that equation...the "evidence of things not seen", the "proof of things hoped for". Faith is not natural in the original equality. Like belief, it is used to hold this world together. And when it is withdrawn, the world will disappear. That is why when you turn faith back in the direction of reality, you can move a mountain. Time is not natural. It will end when the last Son of God withdraws his belief in a false equation. Jesus